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This page is to nominate fresh articles to appear in the "Did you know" section on the Main Page, by a "hook" (an interesting note). Nominations that have been approved are moved to a staging area, from which the articles are promoted into the Queue.


Count of DYK Hooks
Section # of Hooks # Verified
June 29 1
July 18 1
July 30 1 1
August 7 1 1
August 9 1 1
August 12 1 1
August 15 1
August 17 1
August 26 1
September 2 1
September 3 2 1
September 6 1 1
September 7 1 1
September 9 2
September 10 1 1
September 11 1
September 16 1
September 18 1 1
September 19 3 2
September 20 5 3
September 21 1
September 22 1
September 23 3 3
September 24 1
September 25 6 4
September 26 5 4
September 27 3 3
September 28 10 8
September 29 8 6
September 30 8 6
October 1 12 11
October 2 7 6
October 3 10 7
October 4 6 4
October 5 19 14
October 6 11 7
October 7 12 9
October 8 8 5
October 9 11 9
October 10 11 10
October 11 12 4
October 12 9 3
October 13 2 1
October 14
Total 204 138
Last updated 06:23, 14 October 2019 UTC
Current time is 06:27, 14 October 2019 UTC [refresh]

Instructions for nominators[edit]

Create a subpage for your new DYK suggestion and then list the page below under the date the article was created or the expansion began or it became a good article (not the date you submit it here), with the newest dates at the bottom. Any registered user may nominate a DYK suggestion (if you are not a registered user, please leave a message at the bottom of the DYK project talk page with the details of the article you would like to nominate and the hook you would like to propose); self-nominations are permitted and encouraged. Thanks for participating and please remember to check back for comments on your nomination (consider watchlisting your nomination page).

If this is your first nomination, please read the DYK rules before continuing:
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To nominate an article[edit]

Read these instructions completely before proceeding.
For simplified instructions, see User:Rjanag/Quick DYK 2.
Create the nomination subpage.

Enter the article title in the box below and click the button. (To nominate multiple articles together, enter any or all of the article titles.) You will then be taken to a preloaded nomination page.

Write the nomination.

On the nomination page, fill in the relevant information. See Template:NewDYKnomination and {{NewDYKnomination/guide}} for further information.

  • Not every line of the template needs to be filled in. For instance, if you are not nominating an image to appear with your hook, there is no need to fill in the image-related lines.
  • Add an edit summary e.g. "Nominating YOUR ARTICLE TITLE for DYK" and click Save page.
  • Make sure the nomination page is on your watchlist, so you can follow the review discussion.

In the current nominations section find the subsection for the date on which the article was created or on which expansion began (or, if a new Good Article, the date on which it became a GA), not the date on which you make the nomination.

  • At the top of that subsection (before other nominations already there, but below the section head and hidden comment) add {{Did you know nominations/YOUR ARTICLE TITLE}}.
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How to review a nomination[edit]

Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, suggest new hooks, or even lend a hand and make edits to the article to which the hook applies so that the hook is supported and accurate. For a more detailed discussion of the DYK rules and review process see the supplementary guidelines and the WP:Did you know/Reviewing guide.

To post a comment or review on a DYK nomination, follow the steps outlined below:

  • Look through this page, Template talk:Did you know, to find a nomination you would like to comment on.
  • Click the "Review or comment" link at the top of the nomination. You will be taken to the nomination subpage.
  • The top of the page includes a list of the DYK criteria. Check the article to ensure it meets all the relevant criteria.
  • To indicate the result of the review (i.e., whether the nomination passes, fails, or needs some minor changes), leave a signed comment on the page. Please begin with one of the 5 review symbols that appear at the top of the edit screen, and then indicate all aspects of the article that you have reviewed; your comment should look something like the following:

    Article length and age are fine, no copyvio or plagiarism concerns, reliable sources are used. But the hook needs to be shortened.

    If you are the first person to comment on the nomination, there will be a line :* <!-- REPLACE THIS LINE TO WRITE FIRST COMMENT, KEEPING :* --> showing you where you should put the comment.
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If there is any problem or concern about a nomination, please consider notifying the nominator by placing {{subst:DYKproblem|Article|header=yes|sig=yes}} on the nominator's talk page.

Frequently asked questions[edit]


This page is often backlogged. As long as your submission is still on the page, it will stay there until an editor reviews it. Since editors are encouraged to review the oldest submissions first (so that those hooks don't grow stale), it may take several weeks until your submission is reviewed. In the meantime, please consider reviewing another submission (not your own) to help reduce the backlog (see instructions above).

Where is my hook?[edit]

If you can't find the nomination you submitted to this nominations page, it may have been approved and is on the approved nominations page waiting to be promoted. It could also have been added to one of the prep areas, promoted from prep to a queue, or is on the main page.

If the nominated hook is in none of those places, then the nomination has probably been rejected. Such a rejection usually only occurs if it was at least a couple of weeks old and had unresolved issues for which any discussion had gone stale. If you think your nomination was unfairly rejected, you can query this on the DYK discussion page, but as a general rule such nominations will only be restored in exceptional circumstances.

Search archived DYK nomination discussions[edit]

Instructions for other editors[edit]

How to promote an accepted hook[edit]

  • See Wikipedia:Did you know/Preparation areas for full instructions.
  • Hooks that have been approved are located on the approved nominations page.
  • In one window, open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to promote.
  • In another window, open the prep set you intend to add the hook to.
  • In the prep set...
    • Paste the hook into the hook area (be sure to not paste in that that)
    • Paste the credit information ({{DYKmake}} and/or {{DYKnom}}) into the credits area.
    • Add an edit summary, e.g. "Promoted [[Jane Fonda]]", preview, and save
  • Back on DYK nomination page...
    • change {{DYKsubpage to {{subst:DYKsubpage
    • change |passed= to |passed=yes
    • Add an edit summary, e.g. "Promoted to Prep 3", preview, and save

How to remove a rejected hook[edit]

  • Open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to remove. (It's best to wait several days after a reviewer has rejected the hook, just in case someone contests or the article undergoes a large change.)
  • In the window where the DYK nomination subpage is open, replace the line {{DYKsubpage with {{subst:DYKsubpage, and replace |passed= with |passed=no. Then save the page. This has the effect of wrapping up the discussion on the DYK nomination subpage in a blue archive box and stating that the nomination was unsuccessful, as well as adding the nomination to a category for archival purposes.

How to remove a hook from the prep areas or queue[edit]

  • Edit the prep area or queue where the hook is and remove the hook and the credits associated with it.
  • Go to the hook's nomination subpage (there should have been a link to it in the credits section).
    • View the edit history for that page
    • Go back to the last version before the edit where the hook was promoted, and revert to that version to make the nomination active again.
    • Add a new icon on the nomination subpage to cancel the previous tick and leave a comment after it explaining that the hook was removed from the prep area or queue, and why, so that later reviewers are aware of this issue.
  • Add a transclusion of the template back to this page so that reviewers can see it. It goes under the date that it was first created/expanded/listed as a GA. You may need to add back the day header for that date if it had been removed from this page.
  • If you removed the hook from a queue, it is best to either replace it with another hook from one of the prep areas, or to leave a message at WT:DYK asking someone else to do so.

How to move a nomination subpage to a new name[edit]

  • Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.


Older nominations[edit]

Articles created/expanded on July 18[edit]

John A. Spizziri

  • ... that John A. Spizziri proposed allowing people to carry small amounts of prescription tranquilizers, after a man was arrested when Librium pills were found in a jacket that a dog had dragged away? "Arrest Of Patient Stirs Legislature" in The New York Times: "While on a visit in Wood‐Ridge on May 8, Mr. Schwam was carrying in an unmarked one‐inch green and brown vial ‘eight Librium capsules he had taken from a large bottle containing his monthly supply of 120 pills.... A neighborhood dog ran off with his denim jacket containing the vial. woman who later found the jacket but could not learn the owner's name took it to the police, who found the pills and arrested Mr. Schwam under a section ‐of the drug law that prohibits carrying dozens of types of pills and prescribed drugs in anything but the original, labled container provided by a pharmacist.... The new amendment, offered by Assemblyman John A. Spizziri, Republican of Franklin Lakes, would permit person with a legitimate need for a controlled drug to carry a two‐day supply of the pills or medication in any container")
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

5x expanded by Alansohn (talk). Self-nominated at 12:53, 22 July 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg @Alansohn: This article is a five-fold expansion and is new enough and long enough. The article is neutral and I detected no copyright or plagiarism issues. A QPQ has been done. I think the article is unbalanced. It has a large paragraph, more than half the article in fact, discussing a criminal justice-related incident in detail, all for the sake of mentioning that Spizziri made a proposal to amend the law. So, was the law changed? Did he do nothing else worthy of mention in his whole life? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:31, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Narutolovehinata5, I'd prefer to be able to expand the article, but I'm facing challenges finding meaningful sources. A new subscription should help and the article will be updated appropriately. Alansohn (talk) 01:40, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Have you tried asking for help from resource exchanges or other pages like that? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 08:50, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
  • @Alansohn: If you're having difficulties with sourcing, maybe you can ask for help at WP:REX. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:47, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
    • Narutolovehinata5, I have a request in to Wikipedia Library Card for newspaper subscriptions. It's very much in progress. Alansohn (talk) 00:52, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
  • @Alansohn: How are things going along so far? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:18, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
  • @Alansohn: I appreciate that you have been working hard on this article, but the nomination has been open since July and yet the sourcing issues have yet to be resolved. If this cannot be completed soon, then sadly there may be no option but to mark the nomination for closure. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:33, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
    • Narutolovehinata5, I've gained access to Newspaper Archives and Ebsco, and have continued my research, with no meaningful content to add. If you're willing to wait, that's great. If you're not, I believe that the content of the article stands on its own as meeting DYK standards and I hope that you will evaluate it on that basis. Alansohn (talk) 22:06, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
@Cwmhiraeth: Are you satisfied with Alansohn's explanation here, or are there still issues that need addressing? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:18, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
Nothing seems to have been done to the article for the last two and a half months. Let's ask @Yoninah: what she thinks. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:17, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg I read the article and see that that paragraph about the tranquilizers is completely WP:UNDUE and the rest of the article does not meet the 1500 character threshold. Marking for closure as unsuccessful. Yoninah (talk) 11:49, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
@Alansohn: Will you be able to address the WP:UNDUE concerns raised by Yoninah? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:47, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Thank you for adding more about his career, Alansohn. But the issue of whether the legislation was adopted is still not answered, and frankly, this proposed legislation section is much longer and overwinded than the previous one-sentence paragraph which cites another piece of sponsored legislation. I think this paragraph should be pared down significantly and combined with the first one. Regarding the hook, the thrust leans more toward the dog than the bolded subject. A new hook is in order. Yoninah (talk) 12:30, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Yoninah, thanks for the feedback. I will make the requested additions. Alansohn (talk) 12:52, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 15[edit]

Eagle Woman

Eagle Woman
Eagle Woman
  • ... that the Sioux's first and only female chief, Eagle Woman (pictured), was called "the most noted Indian woman of all the western Indian nations", aside from Sacagawea? Source: 1
    • ALT1:... that the Sioux's first and only female chief, Eagle Woman (pictured), helped her people adapt after they were forced onto reservations? Source: "When the Sioux War ended in the early 1880s, Eagle Woman again played an instrumental role in easing the transition to reservation living for her people." 1
    • ALT2:... that Eagle Woman (pictured), the first woman to become a chief among the Sioux, helped her people adapt after they were forced onto reservations? Source: "When the Sioux War ended in the early 1880s, Eagle Woman again played an instrumental role in easing the transition to reservation living for her people." 1 "Because these tribes were giving up their way of life, Mrs. Galpin adopted a new mission: “to help the Sioux to learn and to adapt.”" 2
    • ALT3:... that Eagle Woman (pictured), the first woman to become a chief among the Sioux, was called "the most noted Indian woman of all the western Indian nations", aside from Sacagawea? Source: 1
  • Reviewed: (in progress)
  • Comment: I think this article should be reviewed by someone who knows the right words for native/indigenous issues before DYK goes through. Also not sure about the hooks.

Created by Originalmess (talk). Self-nominated at 18:42, 21 August 2019 (UTC).

  • General eligiblity:

Policy compliance:

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Red XN - Issues for ALT and ALT1: "first and only female chief" - the source states "the only woman to become a chief of the Sioux" but dates to 1986, so it is possible someone else has become a female chief since then. "first" would be acceptable based on the source cited. Issues for ALT: "the most noted Indian woman of all the western Indian nations" - the source refers to her as "Matilda Parkin", which appears to be the same person as "Matilda Galpin" and "Eagle Woman", but this "Matilda Parkin" naming of her is not mentioned in the Wikipedia article. 3) inconsistent spellings of "Sacagawea" (Wiki link name), "Sacajawea" (DYK nom) and "Sakakawea" (Eagle Woman article, source cited): use Sakakawea in article & DYK to resolve. Further review of ALT1: "adapt" is supported by the cited source.
  • Interesting: Green tickY

QPQ: Red XN - ?
Overall: Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Created on August 15, nominated August 21, 2019; Earwig does not report significant copyvios. QPQ pending. I agree that a culturally-sensitive review is desirable before release. Hooks need work. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 20:27, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

I think the phrase "chief of the Sioux" might be misunderstood to mean leadership over all the Sioux, but I'm not sure what a good alternative phrasing would be. Kim Post (talk) 14:00, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
  • I've rephrased the sentence to read "the first woman to become a chief among the Sioux" to address this. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 14:22, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
Sorry about the late response, I should be free enough to do more editing/look for someone to do a culturally sensitive review a bit later tonight. Thanks for the rephrasing, that's definitely clearer for readers who don't know the Sioux had/have multiple chiefs at once. originalmesshow u doin that busta rhyme? 18:47, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
Added new hooks using Mary Mark Ockerbloom's phrasing. Does it sound hookier starting with "first woman" or with "Eagle Woman"? originalmesshow u doin that busta rhyme? 19:36, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full new review needed; the article has been expanded and had many edits in September. Note the prior requests for a culturally sensitive review. Thanks to whoever takes this on. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:09, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Hi Originalmess and GreenMeansGo (and any other editors who have worked on this article) - I am reading it before possibly reviewing it, and noting a few queries.
  • In the info box, Eagle Woman's first husband is named as Henri Picotte. In the text of the article, his name is given as Honore Picotte. The sources I've looked at ([1], [2], [3], [4], [5]) all name him as Honore Picotte (actually, two have the accent on the e which I would expect in the French name Honoré). Is Henri a mistake, or are there other sources which give that name? If so, it would probably be good to mention it with reference to the sources.  Done
  • Eagle Woman's Lakota name is given in the article as Waŋblí Ayútepiwiŋ, which this source [6] has, with a morphemic gloss. Given that this seems a more lingustically aware source, I expect that it's a more accurate representation - but other spellings are found, and I think should be mentioned (eg in a footnote) - "Wambdi Autepewin" in [7] and [8], and "Wambli Autepewin" in [9].  Done
I'll probably have some more queries/suggestions, which I'll add as I read. RebeccaGreen (talk) 15:38, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Thanks for looking over things RebeccaGreen. Let us know if you find anything else that needs fixing. GMGtalk 16:58, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
Symbol question.svg A couple more queries, Originalmess and GreenMeansGo and others:
  • In the Early life section is the sentence "Such marriages proved mutually beneficial: for Native women, marrying a trader elevated status with the added benefits of access to goods, while for traders, the marriage improved trade relations with their tribes." Do you have a source for this? Is it saying that Native women had elevated status among their tribes by marrying traders, or elevated status among Europeans? In "improved trade relations with their tribes", does that mean their wives' tribes? It sounds a bit as if it's the traders' tribes, but I don't think that can be the intended meaning.  Done
  • In the Diplomacy section, the first para says that her children were given a "formal" education. The source says a "good" education - I presume that both "formal" and "good" here mean a European education? I think it might be better to say that.  Done
  • In the Diplomacy section, the fourth para ends with "The Galpins negotiated for the release of the captives upon reaching Fort LaFramboise, and a party was dispatched to ransom the two women and four children." This seems to be the first mention of any captives, so it would be good to give some more information here.  Done
  • If we use a hook which refers to her as a chief, I think we will need to say "credited as the first woman to become a chief among the Sioux". Two sources ([10], [11]) call her a chief - others say she was influential and "known as a woman of honor in both Native American Indian and white societies for her attempts at peaceful compromise between these two different ways of life" [12], a "peace activist who was a strong advocate of the Teton (or Western Sioux) people" [13] - and I note that some articles about other individual chiefs (eg Red Cloud) use the word 'leader' much more often than the word 'chief', and that the relevant categories also use the word leader ("Category:Lakota leaders", "Category:Female Native American leaders").  Done
  • I think that her mediation and peace advocacy would make a good hook too, and also her work as a tradesperson and refusal to close her business. Would you like to write some alternative hooks?
I'm still reading, will come back if I have more comments or queries! Cheers, RebeccaGreen (talk) 04:37, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Thanks again for all the detailed analysis. If no one else has time to correct everything I will surely do so, but I'm afraid that my schedule probably won't allow me to do any in-depth editing for the next couple of weeks. Anyway WP:TIND right? GMGtalk 15:02, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Yes, that's fine - it was nominated only just over a month ago, so is by no means the oldest DYK nomination! RebeccaGreen (talk) 15:19, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
  • I'll get to it now! Including thinking about alternative hooks, especially since there's so much more material now. originalmesshow u doin that busta rhyme? 20:51, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
On the verbiage for the hooks - it seems like "leader" is preferred over "chief" by people who do more editing on Sioux articles. However, I think the general audience would find "chief" hookier; it seems like different tribes use chief vs leader and that's not a known thing, so maybe in the hook we can use "chief" and link it to Sioux#Leadership to clarify? originalmesshow u doin that busta rhyme? 22:49, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
Symbol question.svg Hi again originalmess and GMG, I have read more of the article, and have some further queries.
  • At the end of the second para of the 'Black Hills Gold Rush' section, it says 'Following the meeting, Eagle Woman was made a chief "for her heroism in saving the lives of the Black Hills commission" '. This quote is from A Sioux Chronicle (1956), which starts "She had been made a chief by her own people in 1875 for her heroism ...". Another source, Lakota Portraits: Lives of the Legendary Plains People (2011), quotes a New York Herald reporter present at the 1875 meeting as writing that 'the Hunkpapas were "led by the prophetess and real chieftainess [sic], Mrs. Galpin, a civilized and educated lady.' The 2011 writer goes on to say that the 1875 reporter, as with other white commentators, increased their praise of Eagle Woman the more she defended white civilisation, and wrote things like "there is nothing in her dress or countenance indicating Indian". I have found that New York Herald report (clipped [14]), and it has a sub-heading 'The Story of a Chieftainess', and a section heading 'The Indians' Chieftainess'. I do wonder about both whether she was "made a chief" in 1875, when it was clear that she had influence and was respected before that, and whether it was for "saving the lives of the Black Hills commission", which I presume the white commissioners, reporters and historians were more interested in than the Indian tribes who were fighting to retain their land. It seems to me that perhaps she was called a chief (or chieftainess), in 1875, by the white reporter (and perhaps other white people present at the meeting). Finding a contemporary Lakota or Hunkpapa perspective on her role is probably very difficult, but I think it would be more accurate to describe what she did - the article is probably accurate in saying "After the Brulés the Yancktonais and Uncapapas appeared. Most of them were unarmed. They dismounted .... and then advanced toward the canopy, led by ..... Mrs. Galpin .... When these Indians were drawn up on the east side of the council ground, Mrs. Galpin standing at their front ...". So I would suggest, instead of saying that she was made a chief, change the sentence "In a conference in 1875, she accompanied a delegation aimed at settling the dispute." to "In a conference in 1875 aimed at settling the dispute, she led the Grand River delegation, most of whom were unarmed." (So that is taking the sentence about leading the delegation and placing it in the first sentence about the conference.)
  • I am not sure how many credited Eagle Woman with avoiding violence at that conference - that 1875 newspaper article describes several others who played an important part, including Young Man Afraid of His Horses. So, as well as leaving out that she was made a chief, perhaps say something like her role in averting violence that day has been recognized?
  • The clipped article also says "The commission have discussed the propriety of recognizing him [Young Man Afraid of His Horses] as the principal chief of the Ogallalas", which indicates that white leaders had a role in deciding who they recognized and negotiated with as chiefs, which may not have been the same as those recognized as chiefs within their own tribes. For that reason, I don't think that the sentence "She was also the Sioux's only female chief" should stand as it is. It seems that she was the only Sioux woman that white people recognized as a leader at that time, but how do we know that she was the only one the Sioux recognized, then, before or later? Instead, it could again say something like "She was credited as the only woman to become a chief among the Sioux at that time", or something like that.
  • I also think the sentence "This treaty made her the only woman to sign a treaty with the United States." needs editing - something like "She is believed to be the only Native American woman to sign a treaty with the United States", or "She is believed to be the only woman to sign a treaty with the United States in the wars between the United States and Native Americans". I expect that treaties have been signed with the US by women heads of state, foreign ministers, etc, in modern times.
Have you thought any more about alternative hooks? Regards, RebeccaGreen (talk) 06:26, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
Also wondering if there is a reason not to include the photo of Eagle Woman, which is in the public domain and is, I think, a strong image? RebeccaGreen (talk) 08:43, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
I think it just wasn't in the article when I nominated it (which looked like this at that point). Good catch, I'll add it to the nomination. originalmessbusta rhyme 02:37, 2 October 2019 (UTC)  Done
  • RebeccaGreen I think the points about who's recognized as a chief and who isn't are very important to clarify - I'm willing to email some of the modern day Lakota associated with Standing Rock to see if they have anything, but in the case that there's only oral history (sent over email), would I be able to cite that in an article? Thanks for doing this review with such thoroughness and patience btw. originalmessbusta rhyme 06:41, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 17[edit]

Cebu City Council

  • ... that the Cebu City Council sits at the Cebu City Hall and convenes its session in the Dona Eva Macaraeg-Macapagal Session Hall of the Cebu City Legislative Building (CCLB)? Source: "GMA inaugurates legislative building". The Freeman. 2008-07-25. Retrieved 2019-08-14.

Created by Emperork (talk). Self-nominated at 13:15, 24 August 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Emperork, welcome back to DYK! As best I can tell, this is your third submission, the last two having been in late 2006, nearly thirteen years ago. Things have changed a bit since you were last here.
Nominations need to be made within seven days of an article's creation or fivefold expansion. You created the article back on July 3, over seven weeks ago, so it can't count as a new creation. Seven days takes us back to August 17; it was 1793 prose characters immediately prior to the expansion that started that day, so a 5x expansion would require 8965 prose characters; the article is currently 5966 prose characters, or 2999 short of a 5x expansion.
In addition, neither of the hooks you have proposed are sufficiently interesting per the DYK rules, which require a definite fact that is mentioned in the article and interesting to a broad audience.
Since it has been so long since you participated here at DYK, I think we can allow some leniency: prior to some additions on August 14, ten days before the nomination, the article was 1614 prose characters, which would require an expansion to 8070 prose characters only, or an additional 2104 (rather than 2999). I don't know whether that would be feasible, however.
Another change since your last DYK submission is that we now accept newly approved Good Articles, and I see that you've just nominated the article to be one. Should this nomination not succeed, but your GA nomination ultimately does, just nominate the new GA here within seven days; there are no expansion requirements for GAs.
Please let me know if you have any questions, and how you would like to proceed. Thanks again for submitting to DYK. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:35, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
Hi! Thanks for the insight. I am currently expanding the article. Can I also change the hooks or maybe add in this nomination? Emperork (talk) 22:25, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
The article has now 9,672 characters. Hope you can recheck. Thanks! Emperork (talk) 01:15, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
  • I would also have to note that some paragraphs don't have a reference, such as in the membership section. As a Filipino myself, I don't think any of the hooks would appeal to those unfamiliar with Philippine politics, so a new hook is likely needed. I tried thinking of some but none come to mind right now; I'll comment back if I think of anything. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:22, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
  • ALT2, with some tweaking, might be interesting, as cock fighting is illegal in many parts of the world, so it's not something that councils in the UK, US or Australia, for example, would pass ordinances about. RebeccaGreen (talk)
There's probably a better wording to use than "cockfighting venues" (I'd use cockpits, but that language might not be clear to those unfamiliar with cockfighting). I'd also strongly recommend that this go through WP:GOCE/R too as I think the article's wording still needs a lot of work. Any thoughts on these @RebeccaGreen:? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 21:53, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
@Emperork: Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 21:54, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
The alternative ALT2 wording seems fine with me. - Emperork (talk) 14:00, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
Thanks. Pinging RebeccaGreen to give this another look. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:17, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
Narutolovehinata5, Emperork: ALT2a wording seems fine to me. I agree that the meaning of "cockpits" in this context would not be clear to many readers. As this article hasn't been reviewed apart from consideration of its newness and length, it needs a full review, but if a WP:GOCE/R hasn't been requested yet, I guess that should happen first. RebeccaGreen (talk) 12:13, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
Already submitted this to WP:GOCE/R for review. - Emperork (talk) 13:20, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
The GOCER is happening now, so we should be able to move into reviewing this very soon! RebeccaGreen (talk) 16:19, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Symbol question.svg Emperork, as the GOCER has been completed, I have started reviewing this article. I notice some information that requires sources. Some sections are well sourced, and some still need sources.

  • In the first para of Membership, I don't see a source for when the elections are held, "on the first Monday of May every third year".
  • In the 2019-2022 membership table, please add citations to the sources which give the councilors names and parties (these exist in the article, but aren't cited here yet). Do you have sources for which number their term is? and for their barangay of registration? I didn't see that information in the sources which name the councilors.

I am still reading the article, so I will let you know if I see other sourcing issues - I think these are the main ones. Regards, RebeccaGreen (talk) 14:03, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Sure. Working on it now RebeccaGreen. — Emperork (talk) 10:23, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
Done citing sources on first and second points except for the barangay of registration. I actually lifted that info from the voters' registration roll. It's actually a document not available in public but are made available by the Commission on Elections upon request or during election period. Any idea how we can cite it as sources? — Emperork (talk) 11:03, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
A source doesn't need to be online. You can cite it as you would a hardcopy book, eg by the name of the source - from [15], it looks like they're called 'Book of Registered Voters', probably specified by the location covered - with the date and the publisher (Republic of the Philippines Commission On Elections, I presume). Enough information that will enable a reader to locate the same source themselves (if they went through the same process you did to request it). RebeccaGreen (talk) 11:27, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
OK will work on this one. Will have to pull up those PDF files I've got and put the citation on it. Thanks so much for the help! — Emperork (talk) 12:39, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 26[edit]

Hermann Oestrich

  • Reviewed: Roman temple of Bziza
  • Comment: Sorry, I missed by a few days, being busy in real life and this not "my" article.

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 14:25, 4 September 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg The article is long enough and I'm using WP:IAR for being a few days late. The hook is directly cited and a QPQ has been completed. I assume good faith on the references that I can't access. There is a citation needed tag that needs to be taken care of. SL93 (talk) 18:40, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
I added a reference. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:57, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
Symbol voting keep.svg Thank you. SL93 (talk) 19:13, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote this, but did not see the hook fact in the article. Please review my edit and confirm that this is what it says in the book, which I am unable to view. We have two articles, Snecma Atar and SNECMA Atar 101, both of which mention Oestrich. Yoninah (talk) 00:58, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
  • @Gerda Arendt: @Dr. Blofeld:. SL93 (talk) 04:40, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for catching that, Yoninah. I also can't see the book, but this seems the correct article. (Why do we have 2?) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:05, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
Having tried to answer that question, I am not so sure any more. The article you inserted is a specific type, while the general article describes the whole development (vs. one specific engine), which may be what he was honoured for. Dr. Blofeld? If this is the case:
ALT1* ... that the German engineer Hermann Oestrich became a Knight of the Legion of Honour for developing the Snecma Atar turbines?
Anyway, someone with knowledge should unify if it's Snecma or SNECMA. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:12, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
A drive-by comment, but the article on the company (which is now known as Safran) suggest that it's "Snecma", though I've seen both forms in common use online. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 03:26, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
Same for me, that's why I asked. It may also have been changed over time. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:05, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
Yes, originally SNECMA, for Société nationale d'études et de construction de moteurs d'aviation similar to the other nationalised aircraft conglomerates like SNCASE and SNCASO.Petebutt (talk) 06:29, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
@Yoninah: I'm not sure what happened, but SNECMA Atar 101 was originally created as a redirect to Snecma Atar. Snecma Atar was created in 2005 and the new article from a redirect was in 2013. SL93 (talk) 20:34, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
Pinging editor that created the article over a redirect - @Petebutt: SL93 (talk) 20:37, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
The ATAR 101 was the first engine produced by ATAR / SNECMA. The later ATAR 8 and ATAR 9 were similar looking, but actually almost completely different designs. The SNECMA ATAR article would sensibly concentrt\ate om the later SNECMA derivatives:- the ATAR 8 and ATAR 9. I just didn't get around to it.--Petebutt (talk) 06:25, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
It looks like you'd say SNECMA, not Snecma, which was the question, - thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:44, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Sorry, I haven't been able to understand this discussion. Gerda, Dr. Blofeld, could you please update the article and provide a workable hook for us? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 18:37, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
  • We don't know for what exactly he was knighted, and we don't know if they who honoured him knew, so there's a dilemma. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:46, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
  • I'm talking about the SNECMA designations. Where I left the ALT1 hook, it was a piped link to: [[Snecma Atar|developing the Snecma Atar turbines]]. I noted that we have two different articles mentioning Oestrich, Snecma Atar and SNECMA Atar 101. Which should be in the piped link? Currently the page states: ''For his services to the development of the [[SNECMA Atar 101]] turbojet engine, he was awarded [[Knight of the Legion of Honor]] in 1962.'' Yoninah (talk) 18:51, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
  • I know what we have but I don't know what the (French) source says, so I don't know if the specific (first) engine 101 or the whole concept. It may be ambiguous or uncertain to begin with. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:58, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
  • @Gerda Arendt: I understand. So please suggest a different hook that we can verify. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 20:54, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
  • On my way out until Monday - see my talk. A different hook won't help us for the article where we have the same problem. Does it really matter if for one engine or the program, in the end? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:03, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
  • I have found and added the article in the issue of L'Express which is not viewable on Google Books, but which the website of L'Express has online [16]. I also found and added another source for the award of the Légion d'honneur [17]. Neither says specifically what it was awarded for. Both say that he was technical director of Snecma and directed/oversaw development of ATAR engines (plural). L'Express does talk about Atar 101, but also mentions Atar 9 (tested in 1957, according to Snecma Atar, so certainly while Oestrich was technical director). I have edited the article to say "For his services at Snecma overseeing the development of Snecma Atar turbojet engines, he was awarded Knight of the Legion of Honor ..", and added a link to Atar 101 in the para above that, where it says "Oestrich and his team worked on the further development of the Atar 101." I think ALT1 is accurate. RebeccaGreen (talk) 02:56, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
Thank you, that looks like a lovely solution! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:32, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 2[edit]

2019 Chungju World Martial Arts Masterships

* ... that the 2019 Chungju World Martial Arts Masterships feature 3,119 martial artists from 106 countries who compete in 20 different martial arts areas over 275 medals? [1] :* ALT1: ... that the 2019 Chungju World Martial Arts Masterships is the largest international martial arts competition to date? [2]

Created by Taewangkorea (talk). Self-nominated at 12:52, 2 September 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg @Taewangkorea: While DYK requirements appear to be met (with the full review to follow soon), I have some reservations about the hook. Specifically, while those numbers are impressive and arguably interesting, I'm not sure if it's unique enough since as far as I can tell several sporting events have similar numbers of events and participants. We could still go with it if nothing else can be suggested, but for now it might be a good idea to try thinking of other alternative options. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:30, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
Is there a source that talks about this being the most participated martial arts event? Sheer numbers mean very little. 3,000 could be a very small number for participant at an event. Is there anything particularly notable for a regular reader here? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 11:08, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
@Lee Vilenski and Narutolovehinata5: Perhaps ALT1? Taewangkorea (talk) 17:48, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
I suppose ALT1 is more promising, but the Korean source provided (based on Google Translate) seems to be vague on whether or not it was the biggest to date, or simply the biggest this year or the biggest iteration of the WMA Masterships. More importantly, the article seems to have a promotional tone and in some parts (such as in section two) reads more like an advertisement than a Wikipedia article. The article would thus need to be rewritten to tone down the writing. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:21, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: I have rewritten quite a bit of the article, including the 2nd section, so that it would be less promotional. As for the Korean sourcing, the source for ALT1 says that it is the biggest to date, but Google translate makes it really more vague. If you do not think that this would be enough, I have attached an ALT2 with a source that is more clear through Google Translate (but I still prefer ALT1). Thanks, Taewangkorea (talk) 05:57, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
I think ALT1 is more accurate since if I recall correctly there are also other international martial arts tournaments, if not general then at least for specific sports. The article looks better now, but I was wondering if a separate article could be written for the WMAM as a whole since a large chunk of the article (i.e. the first section) discusses the tournament as a whole more than this specific 2019 iteration. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:19, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: Ok. I have crossed out ALT2 now. Do you think the article on the world martial arts masterships in general would be part of the review? It is because as I have several (~3) articles to create on my to do list (If creating said article would be part of the review, I could create it first) Taewangkorea (talk) 04:42, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
It's an optional step and the nomination can still pass without it being done, I just found it strange that almost half of the article seems to discuss the tournament's history as a whole instead of just the 2019 event. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:43, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: I will try to create such an article in the future after completing my current drafts I am writing. Is there any concerns with the requirements for DYK that you see? Taewangkorea (talk) 04:51, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: i.e. Do you think it is good to go for DYK? Taewangkorea (talk) 05:46, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
The second section could probably still be tweaked further to make it sound less promotional. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:46, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: I am kind of stuck. Could you provide some advice on how to make it more neutral? Taewangkorea (talk) 21:24, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
As a start, I'd suggest rewriting the part that goes Korean cultural experience sessions available for the competitors before and during the mastership have been held. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 03:06, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: I have replaced that part with another piece of info from the same source. Anything else? Taewangkorea (talk) 20:32, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

───────────────────────── The History section is a bit confusing. Is this part talking about world combat masterships as a whole, or just the one for Chungju? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 22:22, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5: I intended it to provide a background leading up for the Chungju masterships. Taewangkorea (talk) 20:26, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
If that's the case, I wonder if it might be a better idea (for now) to rewrite the article into being on the Chungju masterships as a whole (and do the appropriate article move) while keeping the other section as one focusing on 2019. Because right now, despite the article title, it seems to be more about the masterships as a whole instead of specifically the 2019 event. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 20:52, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: I have done that, and did the appropriate move. I also added some stuff on the 2016 competition in the article for the World Martial Arts Masterships. I have also changed the hook to ALT3 to reflect the change. Taewangkorea (talk) 01:08, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
Thanks. I'm almost ready to review the article, but reading through the news article translation, it appears to be a press release of some kind? I understand that the article is by (or at least published by) Yonhap, but considering the tone, I wonder if a second independent source for the statement could be found. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:13, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Pinging -revi for feedback as they're a native Korean speaker and may be able to help out in other aspects. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:05, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
    It would be ideal if nom can find additional citations supporting the arguments but it doesn't look like a verbatim press release per se (there are other sources that just posted the press release) so if they can't find it I think it would be fine. — regards, Revi 10:16, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: I tries to look for reliable sources that sound less promotional while containing similar stuff, but I was not able to find it. I guess this will be fine as revi said? Taewangkorea (talk) 00:36, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
Normally I would, but due to the source article having a somewhat promotional tone (regardless of whether or not it's promotional), I'm not really comfortable with totally saying yes. Symbol redirect vote 4.svg I'd like to hear second opinions from other editors on the source's suitability first (I'll follow with the full article review later). Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:38, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
In addition, the "Background" section may still need to be copyedited a bit, to clarify that the Chungju masterships and the World Combat Games are two separate events, and that the start was referring to the WCG. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:12, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: I have done a bit of a copyedit and I also posted info about the discussion in the DYK talk page to seek others' opinions. Hope this will attract some people. Taewangkorea (talk) 04:36, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
@Taewangkorea and Narutolovehinata5: I think it would be useful to include some English-language sources in the article. Per WP:NONENG, "Citations to non-English reliable sources are allowed on the English Wikipedia. However, because this project is in English, English-language sources are preferred over non-English ones when available and of equal quality and relevance." A Google News search on "2019 Chungju World Martial Arts Masterships" shows over 250 results, although perhaps only the first 4 pages are genuine results (eg, not just finding the phrase as a headline). They are not all in English, but many are. I noticed some sources found through a quick general Google search including the word 'largest' that say either the 2016 masterships were the largest, or the 2019 is/was, but they do seem to be either not independent or rather promotional. You may find others, though. RebeccaGreen (talk) 09:33, 11 October 2019 (UTC)


Articles created/expanded on September 3[edit]

Madara Uchiha

  • ... that the article Madara Uchiha was created on 3rd September, 2019 through Article for Creation.

Created by AbhiMukh97 (talk). Self-nominated at 08:01, 6 September 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Firstly, the hook proposed is unsuitable as it does not give an interesting fact about the subject. Secondly, there is currently a cleanup template in the article, which will need to be resolved before this can be approved for DYK. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:01, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
I revised the reception a bit and thought about this:
  • Did you know that while Madara Uchiha is one of the final antagonists of Naruto he does not make his first appearance until the final arc?
  • Did you know that Madara Uchiha has been impersonated by Obito Uchiha for most of his appearances in Naruto?
  • ... that Madara Uchiha's surprising debut in the series confused his own English voice actor Neil Kaplan about how should he handle his characterization? "GAMRs Ep 11 Extras - Optimoose Kaplan: Pre-show banter". Gamr. Retrieved August 31, 2019.


The hook still sounds a bit niche and might not appeal so much to those unfamiliar with anime. Maybe something else could be proposed here? Possible suggestions could include how he was created as part of an effort to create characters that could "resolve conflicts as opposed to killing each other", or maybe something about the reception he received? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:37, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

Some of the facts that I found interesting about Madara are:

  • He lived around 120 years before his official death in the manga.
  • Despite being a sage mode user, he is not listed as one in the databooks.
  • While reviving Madara, Kishimoto himself became confused about the difference between impure world reincarnation and Rinne-rebirth.
  • Edo Madara is introduced in series to give Naruto, someone to beat.
  • According to Mangaka Kishimoto, Madara is a character without weakness.

AbhiMukh97(Speak)(Contribs) 02:09, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

All of these facts are in-universe facts, meaning they deal with the plot of Naruto. However, here at DYK, it is required that hooks about characters need to be about the real world, meaning that generally, hooks can't be about events that take place in the Naruto series. Perhaps Tintor2 can better explain it than I can, but none of those suggestions can be used I'm afraid. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:24, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

What about this:

  • Unlike other shonen manga, Naruto resolves conflicts as opposed to killing each other, setting their differences aside. Many of the Naruto fans complained about this. Edo Madara is introduced in series to give Naruto someone to beat.

AbhiMukh97(Speak)(Contribs) 02:35, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

@AbhiMukh97: That kinda works but it needs to be written from a perspective common readers who might not know the series. For example, "Madara Uchiha was introduced as a strong villain who could not settle his differeces with the main characters in contrast to previous antagonists?"Tintor2 (talk) 16:08, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

  • I would also suggest that a copyedit for the article be requested at WP:GOCE/R since right now the article is a bit hard to read for people who aren't familiar with Naruto. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:02, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
Sorry, my requests are busy with Kogami's and Dazai's article to make one for Madara.Tintor2 (talk) 20:05, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg I've requested that this be given a copyedit at WP:GOCE/R; the review should probably be put on hold until that is accomplished. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:51, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 7[edit]


Created by HeyitsBen (talk). Self-nominated at 20:00, 12 September 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg This article is new enough and long enough. I am only approving ALT2 which has the hook facts cited inline. All the others hooks are ineligible because they use the word "viral" which is not even mentioned in the article, and TikTok is only mentioned in passing. If you prefer one of these hooks, you will need to adjust the article, and by the way, how does a professional swimmer make his living? The article is neutral and I detected no copyright or plagiarism issues. No QPQ needed for this fourth DYK. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:47, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 9[edit]

Uwe Wolf (musicologist)

  • Reviewed: to come

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 20:07, 15 September 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg I think the hook has potential, particularly the one on the Bach Digital mention. Maybe the hook could be rewritten to focus on that instead? It sounds kind of interesting that there is a digital archive for Bach being made, although the article doesn't really go into much detail as to what Wolf's involvement was (other than the website). Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:20, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
  • When I wrote the hook I thought we had an article on the archive, but it's a rather poor redirect, so I think that without an article, I won't go further. The archive is the best source for Bach, just look at any better article o his works. Will you replace the redirect. I'm travelling, and my talk is flooded. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:45, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
QPQ still needed. How about a general interest hook: Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:30, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
  • ALT1 ... that musicologist Uwe Wolf can scientifically distinguish between notes written on the score of his Mass in B minor by Johann Sebastian Bach from those written by his son?
That sounds interesting, although it might be more accurate to say that he "conducted research" on distinguishing instead of saying that "he can distinguish". Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 05:33, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
Good idea, but everybody "can", using the same method. He "did" it. Links to the work and at least the son, please. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:03, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed on this nomination. If the reviewer has issues with the hooks, then further work can be done on them, but time to concentrate on the other DYK criteria. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:43, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

Symbol question.svg Article appears to meet DYK requirements, no close paraphrasing was found, and I was able to confirm that the information for ALT1, which is cited inline, is in the source provided. A QPQ is still needed. In addition, I would suggest a revision to ALT1, which I am posting below (it could still probably be rephrased; as I introduced the "X-ray" part, another editor may be needed to sign it off) : Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:05, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

This would get difficulties with ERRORS because it also concerned text, not only notes. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:21, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
Page from Bach's Credo, revised by C. P. E. Bach
Page from Bach's Credo, revised by C. P. E. Bach
If we go that way, we should have this image with it, in hook and article, to show how hard it is. I'm travelling, so would take time, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:23, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
I reviewed Template:Did you know nominations/Fleet Review (Japan). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:17, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
Hi Gerda Arendt, Narutolovehinata5, it might be possible to avoid implied errors by saying "musical and textual notes", perhaps? Then, I think "Johann Sebastian Bach" could be shortened to "J S Bach" (a very common way of referring to him), with some other possible ways of shortening the hook in ALT4:
RebeccaGreen (talk) 19:54, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Note: I've adjusted ALT3 and ALT4 to conform to MOS:INITIALS (period after each initial, and non-breaking space between them), which has increased the length of both hooks by two characters (also adjusted). BlueMoonset (talk) 20:29, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
Good idea, but makes it ambiguous, because an innocent reader would think it's the difference between musical and textual notes. How is this:
ALT5: ... that musicologist Uwe Wolf conducted X-ray research to distinguish J. S. Bach's writing in the score of his Mass in B minor from changes made by his son Carl Philipp Emanuel (revised page pictured)? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:24, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
I don't know about innocent readers (readers who don't know the difference between musical and textual notes, and that you don't need X-ray to distinguish them?), but only someone who didn't read to the end of the hook could think it was ambiguous. ALTs 3 and 4 don't say just "to distinguish between [musical] and [textual] notes", they say "to distinguish between [musical and textual notes made by J. S. Bach on the score of his Mass in B minor ] from [those made by his son ]". But whatever. ALT5 has the advantage of being shorter, at 170 characters, and would be even shorter (154) if "his son" was a piped link still. RebeccaGreen (talk) 03:51, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
I'd pipe the son if he had only one, but he had several who became composrs. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:51, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

Lilias Adie

Torryburn Bay, where Lilias Adie's remains were discovered.
Torryburn Bay, where Lilias Adie's remains were discovered.
  • ... that the philanthropist Andrew Carnegie had a walking stick made out of a piece of the coffin from Lilias Adie's grave – the only known grave for an accused witch in Scotland? [26]
    • ALT1:... that forensic artists at the University of Dundee digitally reconstructed the face of accused witch Lilias Adie from century-old photos of her skull? [27]

Created by Stinglehammer (talk). Self-nominated at 14:05, 10 September 2019 (UTC).

Policy compliance:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol question.svg epicgenius (talk) 00:43, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Okay, will redraft problem parts and ping when it's ready for review again. Thanks.Stinglehammer (talk) 09:59, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg@Stinglehammer: it has been almost one month since your last post. Are you planning to return to this nomination, or shall we close it as unsuccessful? Yoninah (talk) 22:54, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
@Yoninah and Narutolovehinata5: Hi, sorry for delay. Insanely busy period with a our map of witches work. Working on the article now. Should be ready later this afternoon.Stinglehammer (talk) 12:27, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
@Yoninah, Narutolovehinata5, and Epicgenius: Hi, have edited the article now. The copyvio still picks up the attributed direct quotes and place names/institutions mentioned in the article but all else should now be ok. I've asked the University of Dundee if they can supply an digital image of Lilias Adie to help illustrate the article. Think that could be an alternative hook... that she is the only accused witch in Scotland with a known grave and that we can put a face to. Let me know what you think anyway. Cheers for your patience. Stinglehammer (talk) 14:46, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
@Stinglehammer: I think that "she is the only accused witch in Scotland with a known grave and that we can put a face to" may be interesting, but needs some rewording to be understandable. The major concerns with paraphrasing seem to be with excessively long quotes. Let me know what you think. epicgenius (talk) 00:08, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 11[edit]


Created by Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk). Self-nominated at 17:25, 11 September 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Article is adequately sourced, the hook checks out from the source (both here and on the article), the article is new and long enough. The article appears to fully comply with policy and the hook is of decent length and quality. I did fix the minor issue of you having an extra row on a table. NoahTalk 02:28, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Symbol question.svg @Hurricane Noah: @Maculosae tegmine lyncis: unfortunately I've had to pull this one from the queue due to a possible lack of sourcing, following discussion at WP:ERRORS. The source appears to say the second event was a sacking by the Ainu but it's unclear whether the first sacking was they. Hopefully we can resolve this or come up with an alternative hook, then re-promote.  — Amakuru (talk) 19:01, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

  • I'm also wondering if Shinori Fort is the correct title because I can't find any verification of such a name. SL93 (talk) 19:12, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
Hi, I’m not sure if I should respond here or on the main page errors (or hopefully otherwise..), so both: the 1457 event, as linked in the article, is Koshamain’s war, where the participating Ainu sacked ten of the twelve forts, also, the two refs by the map, with “fort” used in the English source, and the ten identified in the Japanese, including that of Shinori; as for the Ainu or just Ainu, Japanese doesn’t have articles, definite or otherwise, while quite a few Ainu appear to have been acting in unison, it wasn’t necessarily all etc, and having the in the hook in isolation makes the Ainu peoples sound a bit monolithic, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 21:40, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

PS Wiktionary:館, Japanese etymology 2, says tate/date is a fort or small castle, and the photo would seem to concur! Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 21:59, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 16[edit]

Venezuelan cinema in the 1890s

The dentist operates in an 1897 short film
The dentist operates in an 1897 short film

Created by Kingsif (talk). Self-nominated at 08:46, 16 September 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svgThe article is long enough and new enough with no copyright violations. I assume good faith on the references that I can't read. The image is in the public domain. A QPQ has been completed. The image isn't in the article. ALT0 is not in the article. For ALT1, proto-horror would need to be referenced. I don't see ALT3 in the article. The only workable hooks right now are ALT2 and ALT4, but those aren't the most interesting hooks. The information for the hooks can't just be in similar articles and they must be in the nominated article. SL93 (talk) 01:26, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Alt 3 is in the article, near the bottom of the Themes section. I can add the ref for Alt 1. Kingsif (talk) 15:50, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
  • @Kingsif: That section states that there were few of such films to show medical practices, but it doesn't explicitly state anything about being one of the few such films "showing a medical procedure". Medical practices is a broad term. SL93 (talk) 19:29, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
  • I wanna say "what?" but after re-reading, I think your objection is that the article says 'practices' and the hook says 'procedures'? In essence, serving as synonyms based on what fits most fluidly in each sentence. If the other hooks are good, though, I don't think defending alt 3 over semantics is necessary. Kingsif (talk) 20:06, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
  • @Kingsif: It's more than semantics. At least in the United States, medical practices would refer to the facilities that provide healthcare. My point is that practice (someone doing something, such as the practice of medicine or law) is different from a procedure. SL93 (talk) 20:52, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
  • (edit conflict) By your definition, 'practicing medicine' = 'performing medical procedures'. They both mean 'doing medical stuff', formally, no? But, for the point I think the original comment couldn't quite make: would you like me to change the word in the article? Kingsif (talk) 20:57, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
  • True, but it's more than semantics and more so the meaning of the words. The article doesn't say "practicing medicine" at the moment. You can change the word if you want a 4th hook approved. SL93 (talk) 21:00, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol voting keep.svg I'm approving ALT1 ALT2, or ALT4 (without the picture). SL93 (talk) 20:56, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Symbol question.svg @Kingsif: I've pulled and reopened this one, per recommendation by the reviewer, SL93, which was made here. You can resolve any issues here and it can be promoted back if reapproved. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 21:51, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

  • @Amakuru: Though The promoted hook just seems to have some confusion, there were others approved, couldn’t one of those just be subbed in? Kingsif (talk) 21:59, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
    @Kingsif: Sorry to be a pain, and I didn't have time to look at ALT2 or ALT4 yesterday, but I have to say I think they need to be a bit more directly stated and sourced in the article. ALT2 says scholars disagree on whether the influence was French or American, but the section in question simply mentions various scholars mentioning those nationalities as influences, but without saying that they actually disagree on the matter. The guys saying it's French-influenced might not disagree with the points made by those saying it's American-influenced, and vice versa. To say they disagree needs a bit more solid sourcing IMHO. On ALT4, the article mentions three films that were possibly shown before Alegoría sobre la doctrina de Monroe and, although they're marked as "dubious", I don't know if that's enough to categorically say that Allegoria was the first... @SL93: what do you think ?  — Amakuru (talk) 10:06, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
  • @Amakuru: Maybe changing ALT4 to among the first? Though I think that it makes it less interesting. SL93 (talk) 14:14, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Kingsif, just an idea: could you add a column called something like 'Subject' or 'Theme' or 'Plot' to the table 'National films', and give a summary of what each film is about? (with sources, of course) Then you would have the info needed for the original hook in the article. You could also include the dentist image in the article, say next to the para starting "A distinctly Latin American identity ..." - both that para and the one above mention that film. (I would suggest lightening the image, though - it is rather dark and hard to see.) RebeccaGreen (talk) 13:08, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
  • @RebeccaGreen: Yeah, I could do that with the table. I'm not sure about the image, adding it might make the article be a bit image-heavy for its length (but thanks for the suggestion on where it could fit). Kingsif (talk) 14:06, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 19[edit]

Durio graveolens

Sketch of fruit and leaves of Durio graveolens from Odoardo Beccari's 1890 book Malesia
Sketch of fruit and leaves of Durio graveolens from Odoardo Beccari's 1890 book Malesia

Improved to Good Article status by NessieVL (talk). Self-nominated at 16:53, 19 September 2019 (UTC).

  • General eligiblity:
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg NessieVL I think the information about the definition of the epithet is only in the lead, and the lead should only contain content also found in body. Can you duplicate that sentence to your first section of the body? You didn't need to do a QPQ yet, so you still have "credit" in the future :) Also, considering brevity is usually better, what would you think about this hook:

  • Alt2: ... that despite a name meaning 'strong smelling durian', Durio graveolens (illustrated) has a mild scent? Enwebb (talk) 00:49, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
@Enwebb: I have copied the hook to the body. Alt2 is fine with me. Nessie (talk) 16:19, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg Good to go, thanks NessieVL! Enwebb (talk) 19:57, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote this, but while the hook is saying that the scent is "mild", the article and source say it has "very little scent". These are not the same. There is also no reason to record a string of 4 or 5 cites after certain sentences; 1 or 2 is enough. Yoninah (talk) 23:32, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
@Yoninah: The source says "It has a mild odor, and a thick cheesy flesh with barely any flavor." As most of the flavor of durians is not attributed to sweet, sour, salty, bitter, or umami, I think we can safely apply "barely any" to the odor. Nessie (talk) 18:34, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
@NessieVL: sorry, I'm not following you. Could you please change the wording in the article so it matches the source, or change the wording in the hook so it matches the article? If you write a new hook, please number it as ALT3 and place at the bottom of this thread. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 20:01, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
@Yoninah: That's not what you wrote above. I have updated the wording in the article. Nessie (talk) 16:19, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Thank you. Restoring tick for ALT2 per Enwebb's review. Yoninah (talk) 18:33, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg I have reopened this nomination because I don't believe that the sources for the hook are up to scratch. The source for the meaning is a private website, and the source for the statement that it has a "mild scent" appears to be a blog. I think either better sources will have to be found, or a new hook proposed. Gatoclass (talk) 17:07, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
@NessieVL, Gatoclass, Yoninah, and Enwebb: There's a mention of the fruit being grown in places such as Australia and even Florida. Perhaps a hook based on that could work? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:02, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
@NessieVL, Gatoclass, Yoninah, and Enwebb: I have added a RS for the scent of this species, and an online Latin dictionary as a reference for the meaning of graveolens. I suggest a tweak to the hook such as:
  • ALT2a: ... that despite a name meaning 'strong smelling durian', Durio graveolens (illustrated) has been described as odorless?
RebeccaGreen (talk) 03:59, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
@RebeccaGreen: looks fine to me, but if Yoninah thought “mild” and “very little scent” are too different, I’m not sure “slight” and “odorless” are close enough for them. Personally I thought paraphrasing was encouraged to some degree.Nessie (talk) 20:52, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Paraphrasing means using synonyms, not words that don't mean the same thing. Yoninah (talk) 21:15, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
@NessieVL, Gatoclass, Yoninah, and Enwebb: Obviously I wasn't clear enough. I have added an online [28], reliable source that says, after naming five species of durian, "Some have only a slight odor; Durio graveolens produces odorless fruit." That is why I have put in the article "mild", "slight" and "odorless" in inverted commas, with the source citations immediately after each word, because they are quotes. I am not suggesting "odorless" as a synonym for "mild". The words come from a different, and reliable, source, and the hook uses the exact word that the online source uses. RebeccaGreen (talk) 01:50, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 20[edit]

Isla dela Victoria

Created by Emperork (talk). Self-nominated at 15:09, 23 September 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced. There is close paraphrasing from one source; please rewrite it in your own words or put it in quotes:
  • Source: the petition for the declaration of nullity and issuance of 72-hour temporary restraining order and/or Writ of Preliminary Injunction against the project.
  • Article: a petition for the declaration of nullity and issuance of 72-hour TRO and/or writ of preliminary injunction against the project filed by then city councilors
  • The hooks are statements of fact, not hooks. Why not start with the fact, ... that Isla dela Victoria, a 25 billion-integrated resort and casino facility currently under construction in Kawit Island, Cebu City, Philippines, and then add a hooky fact? (You could delete the word "currently" to save characters.) Image in article is fair use. No QPQ needed for nominator with less than 5 DYK credits. Yoninah (talk) 22:02, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
I would also suggest that the article be given a copy-edit as right now it can be difficult to read. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:13, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
Per Yoninah's recommendation, I already revised the text on the article so that it would not be much in verbatim with the source. Added 1 alt hook, not sure if this would be interesting enough. — Emperork (talk) 15:52, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg I went over the whole article, editing and reducing overlinking. I also tagged the article for excessive and extraneous detail; that expansion that you did on 24 September in the History section reads like a transcript of a City Council meeting. All the back and forth could be summarized in one or two paragraphs. Also be aware that neutrality must be maintained at all times. Since the page is purportedly about the resort project, please focus on that. Yoninah (talk) 21:19, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
  • As the nomination has been open since last month and it appears that there has been no action in weeks, a copyedit may be needed for the nomination to move forward. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:54, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Bengal famine of 1943

  • ... that after the Bengal famine of 1943 was denied by authorities, reports with images of the victims (example pictured) in the English-language paper The Statesman made it known internationally? Source: several
  • Reviewed: Springs Mills Building
  • Comment: Unusual article, unusual nomination. Please wait with a review until GAR is over. Many more contributors should be mentioned. Reading is tough.

Improved to Good Article status by Lingzhi2 (talk) and Fowler&fowler (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 06:48, 5 October 2019 (UTC).

  • I'm sorry Gerda Arendt, I don't see how this meets the criteria. The article was promoted to GA status over 10 days ago. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 18:21, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Did you even see the discussion on dyktalk? Or know about IAR. I saw this only yesterday, - how could I possibly nominate it in time? It took me additional time to at least read it. I think we may have to change our rules for nominating someone else's work. BlueMoonset, what do you think? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:32, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
  • From the talk, by Lingzhi2: ALT1: ... that because the word famine was censored in India, The Statesman simply ran a photo of the victims of the Bengal famine of 1943, informing not only India but the rest of the world of the tragedy? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:40, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Bengal famine of 1943 was immediately sent to GAR upon promotion to GA, because of an out-of-process reversion of the promotion, which was in fact done by someone who didn't oppose promotion but thought the review was far too surface. The the GAR continued to attract constructive comments from the GAR reviewer Vami IV even after that review was technically closed. it would be very difficult to choose which of three points was the actual finish of GA process. My apologies! I thought the GAR was closed a while back, but I was mistaken. I somehow misinterpreted the situation. Now it officially has been closed Please reconsider accepting the DYK nom... and may I suggest reading the "Alt text" option, which is a bit more accurate...  ♦ Lingzhi2 (talk) 00:58, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
Destitute mother and child, in Bengal Speaks, 1943
Destitute mother and child, in Bengal Speaks, 1943

Sigh. The image is regarded as "fair use". With another one:

  • ALT1... that after the Bengal famine of 1943 was denied by authorities, reports with images of the victims (example pictured) in English-language papers made it known internationally? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:52, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 21[edit]

Alois Ickstadt

  • Reviewed: to come
  • Comment: Today is his birthday ;)

Created by LouisAlain (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 21:38, 22 September 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg The article is new, having been expanded fivefold only days prior to the nomination. It just about meets the minimum length criteria but it is impeccably sourced. I do not see any neutrality problems nor any close paraphrasing, as far as I can tell given the extent of my German skills. I am a bit concerned by the complexity of the hook. Is it not possible to propose a simpler one? QPQ is also missing. Surtsicna (talk) 10:30, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
ALT1 ... that Alois Ickstadt developed a concept for educating choral singers from childhood to adulthood on vocal training and general music knowledge?
@LouisAlain, Gerda Arendt, and Surtsicna: Would did or something in this direction be suitable? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:42, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
Good idea, but can we also say that he was a professor for decades, or that he founded a children's choir and an adult choir for a leading broadcaster, - it was not just a concept but realized. I am more impressed by the conductong over decades than just a concept. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:19, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
I reviewed now, A Voyage Round the World --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:37, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
  • @LouisAlain, Gerda Arendt, Surtsicna, and Narutolovehinata5: Thanks for asking - I hope my ability to come up with hooks for others is better than for my own articles! Taking Gerda's words in her last comment, this seems to me to convey the same information while sounding smoother than the original hook. It's quite long, but does convey his achievements, I think:
ALT2: ... that Alois Ickstadt, professor of music pedagogy in Frankfurt, founded a children's choir and an adult choir for the public broadcaster Hessischer Rundfunk, and conducted both from 1966 to 2011? (194 characters)
RebeccaGreen (talk) 14:49, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
It's a lot easier to read and conveys the message better, but at 194 characters, I feel it might not meet the discretionary limit (i.e. the point where even below 200 characters, reviewers may find it too long). Perhaps if there was a way to make it more concise it would work better. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 15:33, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
Could we leave out the "professor of music pedagogy in Frankfurt"? That's what he was, one of many over time, I imagine. Founding and conducting the choirs is his unique achievement.
ALT2a: ... that Alois Ickstadt founded a children's choir and an adult choir for the public broadcaster Hessischer Rundfunk, and conducted both from 1966 to 2011? (151 characters)
Or, I would be tempted to say how long, rather than give the exact years (saves doing the maths!):
ALT2b: ... that Alois Ickstadt founded a children's choir and an adult choir for the public broadcaster Hessischer Rundfunk, and conducted both for forty-five years? (154 characters)
RebeccaGreen (talk) 15:57, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
We can leave out the professor, - I just thought it was a short way to hint at the pedagogical concept behind the 2 choirs. But as you wish. He conducted the children's choir for 50 years because he founded it sooner, but I wouldn't know how to say that without loosing conciseness. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:57, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 24[edit]

Thomas Mohr (tenor)

  • Reviewed: to come
  • Comment: Two performances are still in the future as I write this, but will be past when ready, - due to listening, I'm a day late, sorry. I don't know any other tenor who performed those 4 roles in one cycle. Best 17 October, his birthday.

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 08:49, 2 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Just a drive-by comment, but the cow stables part is far more eyecatchy than the roles, so I'd really suggest focusing the hook on that instead. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 03:01, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
How about:
ALT1 ... that operatic tenor Thomas Mohr founded a music festival that is held in his agricultural estate's cow stables?
Or if you really want the roles to be mentioned (though personally I think they're unnecessary if the focus will be on the cow stables), we could go with a variation of ALT0
ALT0a ... that operatic tenor Thomas Mohr, who has played roles such as Loge, Siegmund and Siegfried in Der Ring in Minden, founded a music festival that is held in his agricultural estate's cow stables?
ALT0a is a bit under the 200 character limit and my preference remains ALT1, but that could be a possible direction if the roles must be mentioned. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 03:32, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for offering. The roles - to my knowledge unique in the world - must be mentioned ;) - Do you have a reference that the concerts are held in the cow stables? - I wasn't there but would guess in a barn. I don't think we need to add operatic tenor. Readers would think the wrong direction, and Wagner hated the term "opera". Most readers will know that Siegfried is one of the hardest tenor roles, and those who don't will not care. If you think some description is needed say heldentenor roles, but that's hard to do because not true for Loge, and the great thing about Mohr is that he can do both, with ease, elegance and power, - if you can get a chance to hear him, do! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:17, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
Well that was the assumption that I had based on the translation of the name given (I took a quick look at the reference but it doesn't seem to mention the music festival, at least based on Google Translate). In addition, I really don't think the mention of the roles is necessary since it would add complexity to the hook when the focus is supposed to be on the cow stables. You shouldn't assume that readers know or care about these roles, and since the focus is supposed to be on Mohr, we should be highlighting his life instead of the roles. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:45, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
I came here to say that I reviewed Boophis popi. Kuhstall is in the name of the festival which translates to cow stable. I try to be patient and say that singing 3 of the most demanding roles in all of opera in one go, and a 4th one (Loge) on top, is a heroic dead he can be proud of. It's possibly unique in the world; normally, Siegmund and his son Siegfried are sung by different singers, and often Siegfried in Siegfried (5 hours, hero on stage most of the time) is done by yet again another singer than Siegfried in Götterdämmerung (5 1/2 hours, same), because each is stressful, and the requirements on the voice are different. I know of one instance when Siegfried was also Siegmund, Andreas Schager in Wiesbaden, but then it wasn't planned, - he stepped in for a sick colleague. It should be mentioned. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:50, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Pinging Yoninah and RebeccaGreen for possible hook suggestions or feedback on how to move forward. As for the above comment, I will have to repeat though that the average reader probably wouldn't necessarily know or care about an opera singer singing demanding opera roles, unless additional context is given. If we're going to go in the direction of the roles, it's like we're assuming that the average Wikipedia reader is very knowledgeable or an expert on opera and the ins-and-outs of that medium, which might be too much to expect from them. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:22, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
Siegfried, "the legendary dragon-slayer", is not operatic knowledge but plain mythology. Also repeating: a reader who doesn't know the extremes of Wagner's Ring Cycle will probably not profit from reading the article at all, or can be made curious by the cow stables, but cow stables alone sell the exceptional singer too cheap. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:28, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
A reader who doesn't know the extremes of Wagner's Ring Cycle will probably not profit from reading the article at all. That's the thing, DYK is supposed to be interesting to a broad audience, not to a niche. Ideally, the purpose of DYK is to raise interest for a subject that people would otherwise not care about. Admitting that the hook or article is not interesting unless you are part of that niche, meaning that the hook or article has an intentionally limited audience, goes against the spirit of DYK if that is the case. I'm not saying that it's impossible to have a hook that involves the hooks, just that there could be a way to do it without limiting your audience (one of your recent hooks, about the five tenors, could be an example of that). And in many cases, perhaps including this hook, it's really not necessary to mention the roles. For example, a hook that goes "... that actor Leonardo DiCaprio, who played Jack in Titanic, did not win an Oscar until 2016?" is acceptable, but considering DiCaprio's fame, it's not really necessary and "...that actor Leonardo DiCaprio did not win an Oscar until 2016?" works as well in his particular case. In the case of Mohr, the cow stables fact is probably interesting enough by itself, and the roles feel like extra details that don't really add much to the overall point of the hook. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 14:08, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
I give up. Cow stables alone just don't do justice to one of the greatest tenors on earth. It wouldn't even mention that he sings. I give up. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:20, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
ps: What in "the legendary dragon-slayer" did you not understand. Siegfried is probably as well known as Hamlet and the Titanic, nothing operatic and niche. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:22, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
It's not that we we can't mention the roles, and we can always mention that he's a tenor (which makes it clear that singing is his job). I just don't really see why it's necessary to do so when the main hook fact would be that he started a music festival that just so happened to be held in cow stables. And I don't really see what's wrong with the cow stables part, since would likely catch the attention of even those who aren't into opera. At the very least, it would encourage more readers from varying backgrounds instead of only appealing to opera fans. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 15:17, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt and Narutolovehinata5: Again, I'm not sure I'm the best person to be making suggestions .... however, what about this? It could even be appropriate for the last hook slot, perhaps? And yes, some of the concerts are definitely in the cowshed (which is a more common expression to me than "cow stable") - there are photos [29], and the history mentions the whitewashed cowshed [30].
ALT2: ... that tenor Thomas Mohr, who has sung the roles of Loge, Siegmund and Siegfried in Der Ring in Minden, hosts concerts in his cowshed?
RebeccaGreen (talk) 15:10, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
She mentioned that she wants there to be a focus on his singing, so that would have to be taken into account. I still don't think it's necessary to mention the roles (i.e. "... that tenor Thomas Mohr hosts concerts in his cowshed?" is probably a good hook by itself), but if it will make her happy, then I wouldn't be opposed to some form of ALT2. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 15:17, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
ALT2 is good unless readers will expect the cows to be in the same room. I learned a new word, thank you, Rebecca. If problems arise we can say "former cowsheds", but I bet curiosity is higher without "former". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:51, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed now that hook discussion has dwindled. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:50, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 25[edit]

Renatus Mészár

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 09:01, 2 October 2019 (UTC).

Anne Boutiaut Poulard, Omelette de la mère Poulard

Mother Poulard in front of her restaurant
Mother Poulard in front of her restaurant

ALT1: ... that an omelette created by Mother Poulard (pictured) is one of the major tourist attractions in Mont-Saint-Michel, France? Source: same

Created by Valereee (talk). Self-nominated at 12:35, 1 October 2019 (UTC).

Anne Boutiaut Poulard

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Green tickY
  • Other problems: Red XN - ALT0 is misleading since there is an article titled Omelette de la mère Poulard, and the proposed hook would make it seem that the link is pointing to the omelette page. ALT1 is fine for this reason. I wonder if we can clarify where Mont-Saint-Michel is.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol confirmed.svg epicgenius (talk) 16:12, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for starting review, Epicgenius, I've added France to ALT1. And yes, I just created the omelette stub this morning, I was thinking the same thing! --valereee (talk) 18:09, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
@Valereee: No problem. Omelette de la mère Poulard just falls short of eligibility by 500 characters, but if you do have additional information to add to bring it past the 1500-byte limit, I'll check it. Let me know what you think. epicgenius (talk) 19:09, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
Epicgenius, that would be great! I don't think I've ever done a double hook. I think I've got it (barely) to the min, and I have another review I can spend if it looks like it's going to make the cut. Thanks! --valereee (talk) 21:20, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
@Valereee: No problem, here's the review for the omelette article. epicgenius (talk) 01:13, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

Omelette de la mère Poulard

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Green tickY
  • Other problems: Red XN - Modified ALT1 accordingly.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol confirmed.svg ** The "match" in Earwig's copyvio detector is actually the French quote. Not sure if we need that.

    • 1514 characters for the omelette article (minus the quote) and 2600 characters for Mother Poulard article (minus overlapping), means that both are long enough.
  • Epicgenius, I've added the photo to the omelette article, too. It actually fits there, since we included the quote about her recipe. Removed the french version; maybe I'll put it into a note so people can read the original french in case they question the translation. Added the second QPQ above. --valereee (talk) 09:54, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Unfortunately given the amount of copying between articles the omelette article is short of the required original prose count. Nikkimaria (talk) 10:31, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Summoned here by bot; sorry, didn't see it go by. If we wait a little longer I can bring it up to snuff. I'm out of town right now with terrible internet so am not able to do much productive edting. I have no objection to dropping the omelette article to unbolded if anyone's in a hurry, though, either. --valereee (talk) 10:27, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
  • valereee, there are currently 127 approved nominations waiting to be promoted to prep, almost 16 days worth. We should absolutely wait for you to return and do the article expansion when you're ready. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:13, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 26[edit]

Niamh McEvoy (St. Sylvester's Gaelic footballer), Niamh McEvoy (Parnells Gaelic footballer)

Created by Djln (talk). Self-nominated at 16:55, 26 September 2019 (UTC).

  • Comment Just a drive-by observation that the hook is well over the 200-character limit. Perhaps this would work?
Also, Djln, it's not clear if you are nominating both Niamh McEvoy articles? They are both new, and you have both in the header - if both are nominated, Niamh McEvoy (Parnells) should be bolded in the hook too. You seem to have only one DYK credit, so you don't need to review any other articles as QPQ. RebeccaGreen (talk) 08:18, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
I had similar questions when I formatted the nomination. I formatted it as a double nom (although the Parnells article would require further expansion), but accidentally forgot to bold the second one. I've done it now, but it can be unDYKed if it can't be sufficiently expanded. MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 00:31, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Thanks to both editors above for their input. Both articles are new so I'm happy if either or both or nominated. Sorry, I didn't realise there was a 200-character limit. Djln Djln (talk) 14:58, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment I have added a couple of sentences to the Lecturer/Coach section of the Parnells article, and have managed to get the character count up to 1587. So it is just long enough now. RebeccaGreen (talk) 09:13, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment: I don't think the hooks need to include the actual team name of each Niamh McEvoy, and may even be more effective without them; here's ALT1a:
Note that there hasn't been a QPQ review done (and one is not needed, since there are only three previous DYK credits, one from 2018 and two from 2007, though with the fourth and fifth credits coming from this nomination's two articles, the next DYK nomination will require one); while Djln has worked on the 2010 All-Ireland Senior Ladies' Football Championship Final article, it has not been nominated for DYK (and therefore never reviewed), and is too short and too old to qualify. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:57, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed of both articles now that the hook is set and both articles are long enough. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:57, 4 October 2019 (UTC)


  1. ^ "McEvoy wary of test from the west". www.independent.ie. 14 September 2019. Retrieved 24 September 2019.
  2. ^ "TG4 All-Ireland Ladies senior football championship final". ladiesgaelic.ie. 29 September 2010. Retrieved 4 April 2018.

Articles created/expanded on September 28[edit]

Westworld: Season 2 (soundtrack)

  • Reviewed: QPQ pending
  • Comment: (I don'think I'm very good at picking good hooks, so constructive criticism on the hooks would be appreciated, if you think they're not very good. — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk; please {{ping}} me in replies))

Created by OwenBlacker (talk). Self-nominated at 21:29, 3 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg I think that the first hook is plenty hooky! Here is a review: New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. ALT0 hook ref verified and cited inline. Image in article is fair use. We're just waiting on a QPQ. Yoninah (talk) 21:25, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

WACH-TV (Virginia)

  • Reviewed: Uppalavanna
  • Comment: ALT1 is a combo hook with WTJZ. The bolding of "in Newport News" is to reduce confusion with the currently existing WACH station in South Carolina.

Created by Raymie (talk). Self-nominated at 02:21, 29 September 2019 (UTC).

  • This is just a drive-by comment for now, but I'd suggest striking ALT1 as it's not really an interesting hook. It might be a better idea to explain why WACH went bankrupt when the TV station did, but in any case, ALT0 is probably the better option anyway. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:29, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 29[edit]

Harshat Mata Temple

Harshat Mata Temple entrance
Harshat Mata Temple entrance

Created by Gryffindor (talk). Nominated by Utcursch (talk) at 18:54, 4 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article is long / new enough, QPQ is done, images are licensed correctly, there are no obvious copyright violations, article is stable, uses reliable sources, and reads neutrally. The hook is cited, but I'm not too convinced it is "hooky" enough. Aren't many Hindu temples older than 1,000 years? There should be something more interesting about the temple than that. The article is very detailed so I'm sure something else can be proposed. Please ping me when alternate hooks are provided so I can review them.
In addition, I would suggest you expand the lead paragraph a bit more. At least 3–5 sentences. One sentence is cutting it too short and does not adequately summarize the article, per MOS:LEAD. MX () 21:33, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Fall of the Berlin Wall

Checkpoint Charlie on the night of 9/10 November 1989
Checkpoint Charlie on the night of 9/10 November 1989

Created by Onceinawhile (talk). Self-nominated at 07:04, 30 September 2019 (UTC).

  • Starting review --valereee (talk) 15:04, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Red XN - ?
  • Interesting: Green tickY

QPQ: ????
Overall: Symbol possible vote.svg valereee (talk) 15:04, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

  • I love ALT1, but while I see the fall called an "accident" in the source, I'm not finding the word accident or mistake in the article. What sentence supports the hook? --valereee (talk) 15:06, 1 October 2019 (UTC) ETA: is "mistake" what we want? Sources say "accidental," which is arguably quite different. This hook will likely get much attention, just want to make sure we get it right. --valereee (talk) 16:14, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Are you planning to nom this for GA? It would be nice to have it there for the anniversary. --valereee (talk) 16:01, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
  • The sentence in the article that supports ALT0, It soon became clear that no one among the East German authorities would take personal responsibility for issuing orders to use lethal force, so the vastly outnumbered soldiers had no way to hold back the huge crowd of East German citizens. does not have a citation. --valereee (talk) 16:06, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

Symbol question.svg Ping me when you have a chance to respond, and also see comments at article talk that are not problematic for DYK purposes but that I think we probably want to address before the hook runs. --valereee (talk) 16:16, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks Valereee. I have amended mistake to accident, and struck ALT0. The source is then the title of Sarotte's book. I doubt I'll have time to get this to GA in the next month unfortunately. Onceinawhile (talk) 08:12, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
@Valereee and Onceinawhile: I noticed there are a few unsourced paragraphs and also a {{citation needed}} tag. Therefore it doesn't fit the sourced criterion yet. There also seem to be some {{page needed}} tags. I think ApprenticeFan should also be mentioned as one of the article expanders. epicgenius (talk) 16:20, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
Fixed the cn (thanks, EG, I'd missed that) but Onceinawhile I can't find a source for that assertion about Krenz/Stoph in a one-sentence unsourced paragraph. We could add it to the paragraph that's above it, that actually would make sense, but I'm concerned that I'm not easily finding a source for that happening on that date. Our articles on Krenz, Stoph, and the Berlin Wall don't seem to help. Should we remove that sentence? Epicgenius, I don't think the page needed tags are necessarily a problem for DYK? Not that I wouldn't like to see those added, too, but I hadn't planned to fail the nom for that. I checked on the book, and the preview isn't letting me see full pages. --valereee (talk) 18:40, 2 October 2019 (UTC) ETA: I've requested the book from my library, I should be able to get those pagenos if you can't OIAW. --valereee (talk) 18:46, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
@Valereee: I don't personally think the page-needed tags are a big deal. This would have been covered if the page had gone through GAN, but this is not GAN, so we can disregard them for now. However, the missing citations are pretty major, especially seeing as how the now-stricken hook didn't have a citation. epicgenius (talk) 19:07, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
I've added the material for the current hook, plus citation. I would like to see this go through at least a major review in time for its appearance, though. It could get a ton of views. Is there anyplace to go to ask for semi-urgent help? --valereee (talk) 19:48, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
I don't know anywhere off the top of my head that specializes in citation checking. I asked on Discord for help, so let's see if that works. Do you live in a major city, or near a library with a large collection? I can probably check my college's library or New York Public Library tomorrow. epicgenius (talk) 20:06, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
I do live in a large city with a first-class library system. I'm leaving town for two weeks first thing Saturday, but I've requested the book with all the page-neededs (Revolution 1989) and am hoping it comes in today or tomorrow so I can take it with me as I'll have some time to work while I'm out of town. --valereee (talk) 10:48, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 30[edit]

Paul Schaap

  • ... that Paul Schaap is an unrecognised Dutch whistleblower?
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

Created by Epmdejong (talk). Self-nominated at 06:41, 7 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg I'm not really comfortable with this. The hook says "is an unrecognised whistleblower", but the lead says "He became well known as a whistleblower" and the body says "The judge handeling the whistleblower case of Schaap, concluded that Schaap couldn't get the status of a whistleblower." which is backed by the source. So calling him a whistleblower, unrecognised or not, is not actually correct. I am also concerned about the rule that says "Articles and hooks that focus unduly on negative aspects of living individuals or promote one side of an ongoing dispute should be avoided." Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:23, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

Toki Pona

A symbol of the constructed language Toki Pona
A symbol of the constructed language Toki Pona
  • ... that Toki Pona (symbol pictured), a constructed language devised in 2001, uses only around 120–125 root words? Source 1: "Toki Pona has only 120 words" The Guardian, Source 2: "Toki Pona is the smallest language in the world. It is 123 words long" The Irish Times, Source 3: "Toki Pona only contains about 125 words" Still Hoping: The Relation of International Auxiliary Languages to Worldview and Perception
    • ALT1:... that one of the aims of Toki Pona (symbol pictured), a constructed language with around 120–125 root words, is to induce positive thinking? Source: "Toki Pona is a language exploring the Sapir – Whorf hypothesis, designed to encourage positive thoughts." The Routledge Linguistics Encyclopedia
    • ALT2:... that Toki Pona (symbol pictured), a constructed language with around 120–125 root words, has been used as a therapeutic method for eliminating negative thinking? Source: "Ms. Kisa, a linguist who is fluent in five languages, devised Toki Pona as a coping mechanism during a bout of depression. Her motive unintentionally had good theoretical grounding in what's called the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis, which holds that language affects the way you think, how you see the world and how you behave. She finds that her pared-down language is useful when trying to work through a problem. Thinking in Toki Pona strips away confusion and superfluous fluff. 'It helps you see patterns, and how things are connected in different ways,' she says. Pekka Roponen, a psychiatrist at the central hospital of Hameenlinnan, in southern Finland, is taking this therapeutic methodology one step further. He is studying the language's usefulness in treating patients, having them keep track of their daily thoughts in Toki Pona. 'Classical languages can be used in your inner world to avoid something,' says Dr. Roponen, noting that the Finnish language is notoriously complex, and that the country's suicide and depression rates are among the world's highest. Toki Pona, he adds, 'is meant to focus on the positive, so negative thought patterns and cognitions can be transferred and eliminated by simply using the language.'" The Globe and Mail
    • ALT3:... that Toki Pona (symbol pictured), a constructed language devised in 2001, has only five root words for colours? Source: "Toki Pona has a five-color palette: loje (red), laso (blue), jelo (yellow), pimeja (black), and walo (white)." The Atlantic
    • ALT4:... that Toki Pona (symbol pictured), a constructed language with around 120–125 root words, once had its own Wikipedia? Source in Polish: "Wersje Wikipedii w językach klingońskim oraz toki pona zostały wycofane z tego serwisu i przeniesione na Fandom." English translation: "Wikipedia versions in Klingon and Toki Pona have been withdrawn from this site and moved to Fandom." Sztuczne języki wobec mediów społecznościowych

Improved to Good Article status by Ddrahoslav (talk). Self-nominated at 09:10, 4 October 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on October 1[edit]

Memory: The Origins of Alien

  • Reviewed: soon

Created by CAPTAIN MEDUSA (talk). Self-nominated at 17:23, 1 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg While the article is new enough and long enough, it is probably not yet ready for DYK. The hook fact is only mentioned in the Plot section and thus doesn't have a reference. A reference could be added since references are optional for plot sections, which might solve the issue, but a better alternative could be to instead write a Development section for the article. In addition, considering the article's relatively short length, I'm worried about the Reception section as it's pretty much mostly review quotations, meaning a significant amount of the article is copied from elsewhere. Right now I can think of two solutions: expand the article further to bring down the proportion, or to rewrite the reception section so that instead they paraphrase the reviews instead of being heavily reliant on quotes. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 03:08, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
  • I have formatted the article per your comments.___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk (We are the champions, my friends) 19:43, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
It looks better now; however, the hook fact sentence remains uncited in the article, and the only cited parts in regards to it only imply it but do not directly state it. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:19, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
Narutolovehinata5, It has been sourced.___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk (We are the champions, my friends) 12:41, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 2[edit]

FOCAL (programming language)

5x expanded by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self-nominated at 16:14, 2 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg @Maury Markowitz: I'm not sure this is meeting 5x expansion. The last revision before yours had 5879 prose characters, so you need about 29,400 for 5x and you're at 21,100. Raymie (tc) 06:11, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
  • I think it's actually worse than that. Since material from the long-extant article FOCAL-69 was merged into this article as the first two edits in the expansion, that adds to the base number of prose characters subject to expansion (FOCAL-69 had 4853 prose characters prior to the merger, though it's hard to tell exactly how much of it was incorporated into the target article). So I think the expansion will need to be significantly larger than to 29,400; probably in the 40,000 to 50,000 range, unfortunately. It might be easier to go via the Good Article route. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:17, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

The prose counter is ignoring anything in a different style, which makes up a significant portion of the text even in the non-tabular areas. BM, I rewrote pretty much all of it. But whatever, close it. Maury Markowitz (talk) 18:27, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 3[edit]

Drosophila subobscura

  • ... that the genome of Drosophila subobscura has been used to track global climate change? Source: "Balanyá, J., Oller JM, Raymond BH, George GW, Serra1 L., Global Genetic Change Tracks Global Climate Warming in Drosophila subobscura. (2006)". Retrieved 30 September 2019.
    • ALT1:... that the gut bacteria of Drosophila subobscura can influence its mating behavior? Source: "Gut microbiota influences female choice and fecundity in the nuptial gift-giving species, Drosophila subobscura (Diptera: Drosophilidae". Retrieved 24 September 2019.

5x expanded by Andrewoh29 (talk). Self-nominated at 03:49, 11 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Several statements in the article are currently unreferenced; while technically the DYK rules only require at least one citation per paragraph, the fact that several sentences lack footnotes is putting the article at risk of being pulled if it gets promoted as is. In addition, ALT0 is probably the more interesting of the two hooks as ALT1 is very common in the animal kingdom; however, the article seems vague on the meaning of "model organism", so it may be need to be verified. I will give this the full review once the sourcing issues have been addressed. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:25, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

Hello! Thank you for your feedback! I agree with your comment about clarifying the "model organism" meaning. However, regarding your comment about the article being under-referenced, the article is heavily referenced. When a footnote is introduced, all consecutive sentences that follow the cited sentence tie back to the cited footnote, until a new footnote is introduced. In that respect, the "lack of footnotes" that you reported are simply "implied footnotes" from the most recently cited footnote in the passage. With that, every sentence in the article is cited and is from a reference.

Thank you for sharing! andrewoh29 19:51, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

While that's technically true, in practice it's recommended that references go at the end of paragraphs instead of the middle, if they're intended to cite the whole passage. And in the past, several articles have been pulled from DYK because of situations similar to this article's, which is why I'm being cautious this time. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:23, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

Kathrin Göring

  • ... that mezzo-soprano Kathrin Göring portrayed both Wotan's wife Fricka and Wotan's extramarital daughter Waltraute in Der Ring in Minden, with dramatic intensity? Source: several

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 12:59, 7 October 2019 (UTC).

  • What's an "extramarital daughter"? Do you mean a daughter born out of wedlock? Yoninah (talk) 23:13, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
  • sometimes English is really poor, - is there no one-word phrase for the child a man has from a woman who is not his wife? I found it kind of quirky, but it it can't be put elegantly we perhaps drop it and just mention the characters' names? - As the two appear in the same Die Walküre, the singer appeared for the curtain call in her valkyrie outfit, but then was given her goddess fur coat, - can you word that, perhaps? She was Fricka only in Das Rheingold and Waltraute only in Götterdämmerung. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:08, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
A single, reasonably neutral word for "born out of wedlock" is illegitimate. You could say "Wotan's wife and illegitimate daughter" and it would be clear. RebeccaGreen (talk) 16:22, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
Learning, thank you!
ALT1: ... that mezzo-soprano Kathrin Göring portrayed with dramatic intensity both Wotan's wife Fricka and Wotan's illegitimate daughter Waltraute in Der Ring in Minden? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:47, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Yes, ALT1 is a better hook. Here is a full review: New enough, long enough, neutrally written, adequately referenced. Unable to check for close paraphrasing as sources are foreign-language. However, the hook fact about Wotan doesn't appear in the article, nor the part about Waltraute being illegitimate. QPQ done. Yoninah (talk) 11:06, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
  • I tried to make it more interesting for our general public, and a bit quirky, but really would not like to open the can of worms to explain the relationship of operatic characters in singers' articles. There's a roles list in every decent opera article which has such things. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:28, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
In this case Die Walküre. Sigh, for Brünnhilde, it says that the mother is Erda, but the mother of the other valkyries is not Fricka. Anyway, this may be too complex to be used.
ALT2: ... that mezzo-soprano Kathrin Göring portrayed with dramatic intensity both Wotan's wife Fricka and the valkyrie Waltraute in Der Ring in Minden? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:35, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
  • I think ALT2 is interesting, especially with that unusual word "valkyries". But again, none of this is mentioned in the article. Yoninah (talk) 13:15, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
... because it's the same can of worms. In a article about an actor playing Romeo, would you request an explanation and ref for Juliette being his beloved?
ALT2: ... that mezzo-soprano Kathrin Göring portrayed with dramatic intensity both Fricka and the Waltraute in Der Ring in Minden, which appear both in Die Walküre? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:41, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

HMS Sceptre (P215)

HMS Sceptre underway
HMS Sceptre underway
  • Reviewed: Wei Jinshan
  • Comment: This is my first DYK nomination since ages, please forgive me if I've done something wrong

Improved to Good Article status by L293D (talk). Self-nominated at 02:41, 4 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg GA icon received within 7 days of nomination. New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen in online sources. The hooks are interesting but the phrases tasked with attacking well guarded, high value targets don't appear in the article; they seem to be assumed. You could either add this wording with a reference, or just say tasked with attacking German battleships off Norway or something else. Image is freely-licensed; images in article are fair use and freely-licensed. QPQ done. Yoninah (talk) 19:04, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Sure. My source doesn't specifically say that the German battleships were highly guarded (of course they were, but it may be kind of original research), so I've just altered the hook. L293D ( • ) 01:21, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Thanks. Since I proposed the hook wording, I'll leave it to another editor to sign off on this. Yoninah (talk) 10:59, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Well, no, because the target seems to have been a floating dry dock rather than a battleship. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:13, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 4[edit]

KPRB (Oregon)

  • ... that one owner of radio station KPRB sold it to devote himself to his duties as the fire chief of Redmond, Oregon? Source

Created by Raymie (talk). Self-nominated at 19:50, 5 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg New enough and long enough. Free of copyright problems as far as I can tell. There are sufficient references; due to the opaque nature of ref 3, I cannot confirm that it actually verifies everything cited to it in the paragraph the hook comes from. Can you point me to the right place? Also; the sentence fragment "It signed on the air in 1952 and was taken silent in 1994" in the lead is very odd; if the phrase "taken silent" is really grammatical in radio speak, I would really like to see a link for it; and why not just say "...went on air" for the first bit? Otherwise; QPQ done, hook looks good. Vanamonde (Talk) 00:01, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
  • @Vanamonde93: So that's an FCC history card. It contains a chronological list of station applications and other actions from when the station was first filed for up until the early 1980s (when the FCC computerized new records). Page 10 of the PDF has the Anderson sale (file number BAL-3539 on the left hand column). Page 11 has the power increase (BL-15,377) and the Miller sale attempt (BAL-6473 at the bottom, note the "Not Consummated" in the last column). The Combs sale is on page 13. These were used internally at the FCC with little change in practice between the 1930s and the early 80s; for stations that were around in the early 80s, the FCC now has these cards digitized. I have made the other fixes to add a link to Dark (broadcasting) for "taken silent". Raymie (tc) 05:26, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 5[edit]

Samsung Galaxy M30s

  • Reviewed: Samuel May Williams
  • Comment: Revision ID 919762457 on 10/05/19 @ 77 words readable prose size (441B) Current revision 920755935 on 10/11/19 @ 426 words (2426B) readable prose size--5.5X expansion in 6 days. Also, I worked on most of the prose part, and @Ghostofakina: and @RhythmWiki: worked on the infobox.

5x expanded by Taewangkorea (talk). Self-nominated at 17:32, 11 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Certainly expanded fivefold, ~2500 characters of readable prose, written neutrally. Inline citations are used and a cursory check of the citations shows they support the article's claims. Hooks both cited, and first hook more interesting and international. Prose style is okay, with some minor copy-editing for the article from myself. Before the article is passed, it could be better expanded with a section on its reception, if possible. Tenpop421 (talk) 18:29, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

Tijl Faveyts

  • Reviewed: Gian Carlo Michelini
  • Comment: For more internationality, we could also add 2010 US debut in Wozzeck, but I guess less is more. I wish we had room to say how well he portrayed the giant and the unloved husband not as evil but as characters with feelings, - but well, this is DYK.

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 08:29, 9 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg New enough and long enough, QPQ present. The dependent hook sources check out (one a list in German showing the characters he played including two of the Ring operas—it comes across enough I don't need to AGF). No textual issues. We're good to go. Raymie (tc) 06:20, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

Westerwaldlied (song)

The German flag
The German flag
  • ... that once considered innocuous, the "Westerwaldlied" has become controversial due to its origins during the Nazi era of Germany?
    • ALT1:... that once considered innocuous, the "Westerwaldlied" has become controversial due to its origins during the National Socialist era of Germany?
    • ALT2:... that once considered innocuous, the German song "Westerwaldlied" has become controversial due to its origins during the National Socialist era?
    • ALT3:... that once considered innocuous, the German song "Westerwaldlied" has become controversial due to its origins during the Nazi era?
    • ALT4:... that though once considered innocuous in the past, the German song "Westerwaldlied" has recently become controversial due to its origins during the Nazi era?

Created by Illegitimate Barrister (talk). Self-nominated at 20:48, 5 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Article was moved to mainspace on 5 October, but is at 1382 characters at the time of the review. The hook is interesting and I'm AGFing on the German-language reference [33]. The article has a few inline citations to YouTube which probably need to be removed or replaced with reliable sources. Also the image is not used in the article and irrelevant. Dee03 23:38, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment: If this article makes it, I think the present German flag is not appropriate, - Westerwald being a small region in one state of Germany (perhaps that should show in a hook), and originally nothing of national importance in the song. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:35, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Mandarax, I forgot what else needs to be done after an article move. Help? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:37, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

List of sovereign states in 1781

The U.S. flag in 1781
The U.S. flag in 1781

Created by Illegitimate Barrister (talk). Self-nominated at 18:55, 5 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Hi Illegitimate Barrister, this article still needs some work, I think? Per the DYK rules it needs 1,500 characters of text aside from the list content and there appears to be only one inline reference so far? There are also many countries not listed. Happy to take another look once it's ready if you ping me. All the best, - Dumelow (talk) 22:15, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Mawtini (Zanbaka song)

The Iraqi flag in 2004
The Iraqi flag in 2004

Created by Illegitimate Barrister (talk). Self-nominated at 18:52, 5 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg @Illegitimate Barrister: Hey, welcome to DYK. DYK articles need 1,500 prose characters and this one currently has 374. You will need to expand the article considerably to that 1,500 prose character length. The DYKcheck plugin may help you as you expand this page to the length necessary. Raymie (tc) 19:20, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Article became a GA on October 4[edit]

Gateway of India

Departure of the last British troops from India
Departure of the last British troops from India
  • Reviewed: Not required.
  • Comment: This article was listed before seven days when I was on a Wikibreak. The GA had taken too long with no communication for some time from the reviewer, hence it couldn't be concluded before I could go on my Wikibreak. I am of the opinion that the DYK is engaging enough to be on the main page. I would be eager to hear from others. Tamravidhir (talk) 09:22, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Improved to Good Article status by Tamravidhir (talk). Self-nominated at 09:22, 13 October 2019 (UTC).


Articles created/expanded on October 6[edit]

Home (Basshunter song)

Created by Eurohunter (talk). Self-nominated at 21:05, 13 October 2019 (UTC).

I may be unavailable in the coming days or week. All applications will be processed as soon as possible. Eurohunter (talk) 21:20, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

  • Symbol possible vote.svg The article itself is expanded 5x recently and long enough. There's problems with citing, specifically that the source provided for the hook is a Youtube video and not a more reliable source. Also, the Deezer page doesn't actually mention the information that you say it does. Lastly, the hook itself would arguably not be interesting to a broad audience: Linnea Deb isn't especially notable in this context. Feel free to ping me after you give it some more work.   Ganbaruby!  (talk to me) 00:10, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

Der Ring in Minden

  • Reviewed: Grigory Grigoryevich Skornyakov-Pisarev
  • Comment: I'm not done with the article, but have to nominate the Minden Miracle which was named "possibly where you experience Wagner best" and other such praise.

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 12:08, 13 October 2019 (UTC).

Under the Knife (film)

  • ... that the film Under the Knife argues that Britain's state-run National Health Service is being intentionally privatised? The film presents arguments that the NHS is being deliberately underresourced and privatised.[34]
    • ALT1:... that ...?

Created by Whispyhistory (talk) and Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by Philafrenzy (talk) at 10:23, 13 October 2019 (UTC).

Lang Ayre

The Lang Ayre
The Lang Ayre
  • ... that the Lang Ayre is the longest beach in Shetland? Source: Also en-route, west of Ronas Hill are the huge red cliffs and the Lang Ayre, Shetlands longest beach.[35]
  • ALT1 ... that visitors to Lang Ayre, the longest beach in Shetland, are advised to carry a physical map and compass? Source: Map and compass skills required [36]
    • ALT2 ... that ropes are needed to descend over granite cliffs, to reach Lang Ayre, the longest beach in Shetland?

Created by Griceylipper (talk). Self-nominated at 16:25, 6 October 2019 (UTC).

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol question.svg User:Griceylipper I have proposed an ALT DYK, that I feel is more interesting. What are your thoughts on it ? The ALT DYK seems to be unsourced in the article, can you please help to fix this. DBigXray 09:32, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for reviewing this nomination User:DBigXray. I have added a citation for the relevant section to the article, and I have modified the source for your ALT1 hook. I must say I personally prefer the more simple one, as (at least to me) being able to use a map and a compass on a long walk is just common sense, however this may be of interest to readers of the front page, so I am not bothered either way. Griceylipper (talk) 11:42, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Thanks for the kind reply. I am marking the cite as AGF for offline hook. Since we could not agree on the better hook, I would let another reviewer close this. DBigXray 16:27, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
Also added ALT2. DBigXray 15:20, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
DBigXray I'm afraid ALT2 isn't true - you don't descend down the cliffs (that would only be done by experienced climbers, as the cliffs are very brittle), and the rope isn't required. Have a look here for a better idea of what the ravine and the rope are like. As per the link, "The rope isn't essential, but it is a big help and security blanket..." I would reference this in the article, however WP:BLOGS means I can't use a blog being written under an anonymous pseudonym as a source. Griceylipper (talk) 23:19, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
Reading the article gave me this impression. Thanks, for the correction and the link. DBigXray 11:29, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

Current nominations[edit]

Articles created/expanded on October 7[edit]

Broe helmet

The Vendel XIV helmet
The Vendel XIV helmet
  • ... that the fragmentary Broe helmet shares similarities with the Vendel XIV helmet (pictured)? Source: Tweddle 1992: There are a number of relevant passages, including "The parallels between the Coppergate helmet on the one hand and the Vendel XIV and Bro[e] helmets on the other, therefore, include the use of cheek-pieces, the method of construction of the cap, the use of a small flat crest terminating in an animal head at the front, and the occurrence of hatched eyebrows ending in animal heads"
  • Reviewed: Elizabeth Fee
  • Comment: If there's any interest in using the image of the Broe helmet itself, it will enter the public domain in January.

Created by Usernameunique (talk). Self-nominated at 23:15, 13 October 2019 (UTC).

Tadjuddin Noor

Moved to mainspace by Juxlos (talk). Self-nominated at 19:33, 12 October 2019 (UTC).

Wales national football team home stadium

Improved to Good Article status by Kosack (talk). Self-nominated at 14:39, 7 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Will be claiming this for review, but as I am busy today with real-life matters, I will not be able to start until either later or more likely tomorrow. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:07, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
I got caught up in real-life matters so I'll try to review this tomorrow. Right now I took a quick look at the article and noticed that the actual sentence that mentions the hook fact doesn't have a footnote, instead the source that verifies it is located at the end of the next sentence. Per the DYK guidelines, the reference needs to be duplicated in the sentence that mentions the hook fact. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:48, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
Hi @Narutolovehinata5:, thanks for taking up the review. I've moved the Guinness World Records source directly after the info now. Also added in my QPQ review as well, cheers. Kosack (talk) 14:11, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
Thanks. I'm almost ready to review this, but I wonder if the hook link could be revised. The piped link of course is to "Wales national football team home stadium", but the wording presented in the hook is "Wales' first home international football match", and personally I feel this could be a bit too easter eggy. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:20, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
ALT1... that the Racecourse Ground has hosted more Wales home international matches than any other ground and is the oldest in the world still hosting international fixtures?
Working the title in proved tricky, came up with a slightly better version above. Kosack (talk) 05:46, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
The wording for that sounds a bit clunky. Would a slightly revised version (which I'm posting below) be okay with you? It's a bit on the long side, but it's difficult to get across the point in a shorter hook, admittedly. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:45, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
ALT1a ... that the Racecourse Ground, which has hosted more Wales home international matches than any other ground, is the oldest stadium in the world still hosting international football fixtures?
@Narutolovehinata5: Yeah that sounds good, the only thing I would say is that it should probably be the Racecourse Ground. Kosack (talk) 06:41, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
I omitted the "the" before the stadium's name because I thought "Racecourse Ground" was a proper name and I frequently hear articles omitting "the" before names of stadiums if it's at the start of sentences; I'm not sure how it works with British English (I am admittedly more familiar with American English). In any case I've put "the" before Racecourse Ground for now. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:26, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
While the official name is simply Racecourse Ground, it still wouldn't be used without being preceded by the in general use as it wouldn't work grammatically. Kosack (talk) 13:47, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 8[edit]


  • Reviewed: Melissa Leilani Larson
  • Comment: I am awaiting scans of some 20 articles from the SMU/UMass Dartmouth student newspaper through their library, which I requested this past Tuesday. (There is an online index but articles are not digitized.) As such a new hook may be proposed once their content is incorporated.

Converted from a redirect by Raymie (talk). Self-nominated at 01:40, 13 October 2019 (UTC).


Converted from a redirect by Raymie (talk). Self-nominated at 03:52, 9 October 2019 (UTC).


  • ... that when asked to describe JOSS, an interactive programming system at Rand, one user simply stated "it's better than beer"? Source: Byran.

5x expanded by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self-nominated at 13:36, 8 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg QPQ needed. Hook is inline cited to a RAND document which is RS, and is interesting. Article recently 5x expanded and is NPOV. No obvious copyvio. No image. Looks good. Chetsford (talk) 01:59, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 9[edit]


  • ... that a vandal "knew what he was doing" when he ripped out the fuse blocks to WEYY's transmitter, keeping it off the air for two and a half hours? Source

5x expanded by Raymie (talk). Self-nominated at 02:29, 10 October 2019 (UTC).

Melissa Leilani Larson

Created by Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk). Self-nominated at 21:31, 9 October 2019 (UTC).

  • New enough, long enough, QPQ present. That is quite the hook—I imagine this will get a lot of views—and it is included in the article and checks out. No textual issues. Looks good to me. Raymie (tc) 01:37, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 10[edit]

Anne L. Stevens

Created by HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk). Self-nominated at 02:39, 10 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article is newly created, over the required prose size and has no copyvio concerns. Hooks are interesting and have inline citations to reliable sources, although I AGF on the first source as I am unable to access the book. Waiting on a QPQ for now. Kosack (talk) 14:07, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Good to go. Kosack (talk) 06:05, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

Sierra de Ajusco-Chichinauhtzin

View of the summits of Ajusco, part of the Sierra de Ajusco-Chichinauhtzin
View of the summits of Ajusco, part of the Sierra de Ajusco-Chichinauhtzin

Created by Evrik (talk). Self-nominated at 18:58, 10 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Reviewed: Mai Khôi and Jack Hadley
  • Symbol question.svg Article is new enough, long enough, and fully sourced. Hook is interesting, but I'm unable to verify it from the supplied source. Can you quote the sentence(s) from the source that mentions the information? Image is freely licensed. QPQ needs to be done. -Zanhe (talk) 23:32, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
  • @Zanhe: I went back to the sources and can't find the exact sentence. Part of the problem is one the websites seems to have gone down. I added another cite, from NASA, that documents 200 cones in the volcanic field. I also added a second hook. --evrik (talk) 05:45, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 11[edit]

Northwestern Lumberman

Created by Doug Coldwell (talk). Self-nominated at 20:41, 12 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Comment - For full quote of source for hook see Bibliography "American Lumberman (1923)"
  • Symbol question.svg @Doug Coldwell: No major issues with plagiarism, QPQ done, article new and long enough. One question about the hook: wouldn't the Lumbermen's Gazette be the correct hook title, as it was the first journal's title, not the Northwestern Lumberman? Juxlos (talk) 15:25, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Good question. I would say since the article is about the Northwestern Lumberman journal as the main theme, not the Lumbermen's Gazette, that the hook is correct. The name was Lumbermen's Gazette for something under two years. While it was a monthly journal devoted to the lumber industry for some 25 years it was mostly known as the Northwestern Lumberman. Under that name it had several reference works associated with it. I discovered in my research that most references talk mostly of it as the Northwestern Lumberman. The article's title and magazine's cover picture is the Northwestern Lumberman. The reference that covers the hook says ...it was removed to Chicago where it became the Northwestern Lumberman.. When it changed names to the American Lumberman it was then known as the Northwestern Lumberman and merged with another lumber trade journal called the The Timberman that was writing about very similar things. They just decided to call it then the American Lumberman journal. Under that title it operated out of the same building as the Northwestern Lumberman. Check out the Hodgson (1899) reference on page 22 which is linked in the Bibliography. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 18:50, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
  • ALT1 is also good as it gives us a bit more context. It's a new article, and naturally there is always room for more information, but that isn't a DYK issue. The article meets all DYK criteria, gives us a solid basic picture about the subject, and IMO is good to go. User Juxlos initiated the review, so I'll give him/her the time to make the final call. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 20:23, 13 October 2019 (UTC)


  • Reviewed: Estrela report
  • Comment: Request October 30 — anniversary of station sign-on (since my timing happens to be better than usual)

5x expanded by Raymie (talk). Self-nominated at 04:20, 12 October 2019 (UTC).


Created by Raymie (talk). Self-nominated at 22:50, 11 October 2019 (UTC).

Lord & Taylor Building

5x expanded by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 22:25, 11 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Epicgenius: QPQ checks out, 5x expansion counts, hooks are all verifiable and somewhat interesting, though I'd say ALT0 is a bit on the uninteresting side. I'd also say that ALT2 should specify who described it as frankly commercial but it doesn't have to. An interesting hook could also be "...that the Lord & Taylor Building was the first department store with elevators installed?". Other then those minor things, it looks good to go. Eddie891 Talk Work 20:32, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
    • @Eddie891: I think that a hook about elevators may be a good hook, but the sources are not clear on whether it was this exact building. This is implied, but not explicitly stated. Other than that, I agree that ALT1 and ALT2 sound better than ALT0 as currently phrased. (ALT0 was about how Fifth Avenue display windows were supposed to only be used to advertise items.) epicgenius (talk) 00:04, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Elizabeth Fee

Dr Elizabeth Fee speaking during her tenure as the Chief Historian at the National Library of Medicine.
Dr Elizabeth Fee speaking during her tenure as the Chief Historian at the National Library of Medicine.

Created by Zeromonk (talk). Self-nominated at 21:43, 11 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg New, in time, long enough, sourced, no apparent copyvios, QPQ done. Zeromonk, what is the source for Fee writing about the history of the toothbrush? I see the CUNY article talks about her "popularizing the toothbrush", but not its history per se. Perhaps finding the article and linking to it would help? --Usernameunique (talk) 23:05, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Reverse arms

Rest on arms reversed
Rest on arms reversed

Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 21:11, 11 October 2019 (UTC).

James Brown (cyclist)

Created by SounderBruce (talk). Self-nominated at 05:56, 11 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Hi SounderBruce, review follows: article created 11 october; article exceeds minimum length; article is well written and cited inline throughout to reliable sources; no copyright violations apparent; hook is interesting, mentioned in article and backed up by the cited source; just waiting on a QPQ - Dumelow (talk) 11:17, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

Japan National Route 279

Wooden gates at Mount Osore
Wooden gates at Mount Osore

5x expanded by Mccunicano (talk). Self-nominated at 02:48, 11 October 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on October 12[edit]


  • Reviewed: Tujhe Kitna Chahne Lage
  • Comment: If this and all of my other pending DYKs go through, I will have a DYK on a radio station in every U.S. state!

5x expanded by Raymie (talk). Self-nominated at 04:01, 13 October 2019 (UTC).

Peng Yuxing

  • Reviewed: Andrew Mukooza
  • Comment: I'm not sure if the main hook complies with DYK's BLP policy, so offering ALT1 as a fallback.

Created by Huangdan2060 (talk) and Zanhe (talk). Nominated by Zanhe (talk) at 23:53, 12 October 2019 (UTC).

Joseph Anthony Dwyer

Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 23:05, 12 October 2019 (UTC).

Tujhe Kitna Chahne Lage

5x expanded by DBigXray (talk). Self-nominated at 11:27, 12 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg @DBigXray: If the AfD closes, this will be very close to ready. The expansion is large enough and new enough, and a QPQ is present. I advise against ALT1 because the topic isn't very well known outside India. The Firstpost source for the hook is OK and backs the hook claims but a bit thin of an article. I have done some copyediting myself. The following is a list of specific article issues that need resolution:
  • There is a [better source needed] (lede paragraph 3) and a [clarification needed] ("Charts", sentence 1) in this article.
  • The sentence beginning "The music producer is" lacks an inline citation, which is needed as it is the last sentence of the paragraph.
Credit to you, this is a very good revamp, but the AfD must close "keep" for this to be worthy of consideration. Raymie (tc) 03:57, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
ALT0 goes against the WP:DYKHOOK rule of "If the subject is a work of fiction or a fictional character, the hook must involve the real world in some way.". For ALT1; Kapoor was clean shaven in at least the 2010 film Milenge Milenge; pics here. We cant have false facts as hook.
Why don't you suggest a hook on how the song is among the most viewed Youtube video? Oh wait; that's false too.
Then why dont you make a hook on how its been on charts? Oh wait; those aren't credible enough to back with WP:RS and WP:CHARTS.
Why dont you just give opinion like lets say xyz non-notable blogwriter considers the songs to very notable? Wait again; that's not what hooks are for. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 03:26, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

Adolescence of Utena

5x expanded by Morgan695 (talk). Self-nominated at 04:01, 12 October 2019 (UTC).

Delford M. Smith

Created by Orygun (talk). Self-nominated at 03:22, 12 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg @Orygun: Thank you for submitting DYK. New, long enough, well cited, inline cited, neutral, hook interesting, hook long enough, QPQ done. Only one sentence is very close to its source: At its height, Evergreen operated a $1 billion fleet of more than 200 aircraft, operating in over 100 countries. Please reword it. Regards,-Nizil (talk) 04:44, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Done. Now reads: "At its peak, Evergreen was doing business in more than 100 hundred countries with a fleet of over 200 aircraft."--Orygun (talk) 05:08, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg @Orygun: Thank you. Now good to go. -Nizil (talk) 05:17, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

John Ystumllyn

Portrait of John Ystumllyn, 1754
Portrait of John Ystumllyn, 1754
  • Comment: Interesting little biography, created for Black History Month in the UK. Note that this biography quotes at length from a 19th-century account of Ystumllyn's life, so may set off several copyvio detectors.

Created by Tenpop421 (talk). Self-nominated at 15:34, 12 October 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on October 13[edit]


  • Reviewed: Tijl Faveyts
  • Comment: I hope you like Spanish-language sources. Request: November 1 to match the October 31 evening launch in Mexico.

Created by Raymie (talk). Self-nominated at 06:26, 14 October 2019 (UTC).

Christina Maria Rantetana

  • ... that Christina Maria Rantetana was the first female admiral in the Indonesian Navy? Source: the whole article, really. Or [39]: "Jenderal perempuan pertama di TNI Angkatan Laut, Laksamana Muda (Laksda) Christina Rantetana"
    • ALT1:... that Christina Maria Rantetana was buried in a combined military-traditional funeral, with salvo shots as her body was placed in a 30-meter high hole in a cliff? Source: [40]: "Tembakan salvo dari prajurit TNI AL mengiringi peti jenazah almarhumah diangkat ke liang di tebing gunung pemakaman adat setinggi 30 meter menggunakan tangga bambu dan tali."
  • Reviewed: TBD
  • Comment: ALT0 is a "generic" hook, but I think ALT1 is certainly more unusual.

Created by Juxlos (talk). Self-nominated at 15:09, 13 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg A new article, no copyvio, the hooks are both interesting and in-line referenced. I would prefer ALT1 because it is more unusual, but ALT0 is also fine. Awaiting the QPQ. Applodion (talk) 15:33, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 14[edit]

Special occasion holding area[edit]

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